Eruptions

I didn't think earthquakes were ever particularly "under control" anyway....?

Posted by: Luna_the_cat | February 27, 2010 6:35 PM

As soon as I heard about it I started hunting for tsunami info. Forget CNN, they accidently showed some good info but didnt explain it. Found a webcam on the S coast of Mexico, but it was looping and not updating. Checked the news from Fiji, they had a 1 foot tsunami wave at the closest island.
SO I went golfing.
When has Nature ever been ...
"In Control" ?? How arrogant.

Posted by: Fitz | February 27, 2010 6:45 PM

While not perfect, the best story I've seen on this so far (outside the geobloggers, of course) is at The Christian Science Monitor. CSM often takes a little longer to rush to print, and generally takes time to make a few phone calls and talk to some actual scientists. Yes, they are associated with the Church of Christ, Scientist, but their news reporting- science especially- is first rate. They do an excellent job of keeping their theology, news and marketing separate. I wish other news organizations followed their example.

I agree with Bruce; there's simply no point in trying to get news from TV sources any more.

Posted by: Lockwood | February 27, 2010 6:49 PM

Have they changed the article? The one I read started:

Chile is on a hotspot of sorts for earthquake activity. And so the 8.8-magnitude temblor that shook the region overnight was not a surprise, historically speaking. Nor was it outside the realm of normal, scientists say, even though it comes on the heels of other major earthquakes.

It also included the unsensational:

"From our human perspective with our relatively short and incomplete memories and better and better communications around the world, we hear about more earthquakes and it seems like they are more frequent," Arrowsmith said. "But this is probably not any indication of a global change in earthquake rate of significance."

Posted by: Alun | February 27, 2010 7:00 PM

I was hoping someone on this site would write an article about MSNBC's ridiculous "Nature Out of Control!!" line. I just spotted that a couple hours ago and here you are Erik, right on form to point out the absurdities - talk about a speedy delivery! Well done!

Posted by: icarus | February 27, 2010 7:01 PM

I had an interesting conversation with my mother today after she made the comment that "Natures really acting up lately". I asked her how likely it would have been for her to hear about the Chilean earthquake 30 years ago. She of course said very likely. Ok. yeah... so We dug a bit deeper and I asked her how. She said TV news. So local news would show constant live footage of the carnage the second it happened? She thought about it and said no. International news maybe, but not the way they do it now.

100 years ago none of use would even know about an Earthquake in Chile unless we a) lived there b) had family there and letters/telegraphs came out much later or c) in case of telegraphs being sent out, we picked up a paper also probably much later and read a short paragraph. It would not even be a blip on most peoples radar...

This sort of gets to the core of things. We have so much instant data coming at us these days that I feel our primate brains are having a hard time keeping perspective. We see so much compared to our recent ancestors that it's triggering some sort of panic reaction.

MSNBC's headlines are feeding into it. And the people who are putting this stuff out there are doing it consciously and deliberately. How's that for tinfoil?

Posted by: Maria | February 27, 2010 7:06 PM

I have not read the MSNBC thing and I doubt I will now that I hear they are blowing it out of proportion. Since I started monitoring the quakes in CA (and the world) I noticed that there seemed to be more quakes in CA than there used to be. So I inquired about it and what has happened it the equipment is more sensitive and picks up more quakes than we were capable of before. So really, there are not any more quakes per se than there always has been. Maybe a few more, but nature out of control?! No, I don't think so. Besides, it was never in control in the first place!

And how do we know there wasn't a mag of 10 or worse some time back? I bet Toba would have made seizmographs go off the charts if they had had them back then.

I think taking a news break is a good idea for everybody to do from time to time. And maybe only looking at the basic headline and leave it at that: Quake in Chile, Quake off Okinawa, Pile up in fog on I5, or something like that. Leave off the details. We need to know what is going on to some extent, but not all the hype. It used to be no one knew what went on in the next village, let alone the whole world. I have a sense that knowing about all the disasters in the world weighs us down and brings on depression in addition to the fast pace we seem to have to lead these days.

I don't have much else to say about it except to be thinking and praying for the people of Chile and not be hyper focused on it.

Thanks for pointing some of the junk for us to avoid out there, Erik. Good job!

Posted by: Diane | February 27, 2010 8:34 PM

If you follow the links you'll find that the phrase "out of control" is not reported. It's a comments thread. No shoddy reporting. If there's any hysteria going on here it's closer to this site than MSNBC.

Posted by: Andy Crofts | February 27, 2010 9:00 PM

Interestingly I had CNN on for 10 or 15 minutes, and the coverage I saw was excellent. The female expert they had on seemed to actually know the subject. Now maybe if I'd have left it on I would have seen the foolish ignornat stuff, but at least that small part of the coverage was high quality.

Of course people are going to ask "is nature acting up on us?". Even though us rational scientific types don't think it is a valid question, psychologically it is a valid inquiry to make. Hopefully it would be followed up with, NO, this is just the normal workings of the planet. But, we have a lot of people believing that the planet is just warming up for the big show -be it End Of Days, or Mayan 2012, or whatever. I'd bet there are far more people who believe that stuff than there are scientific rational types.

Now, I for one, expect that things like the rate of plate spreading probably varies over geologic time. We may even a a long cycle where supercontinents form and suppress heat loss, then breakup creating a period of higher than normal activity. So there are interesting scientific questions along these lines. Its just that the timescales involved are far different than human timescales.

Posted by: Omega Centauri | February 27, 2010 9:28 PM

oops, I meant Erik instead of Eric (sorry)

Posted by: BrianR | February 27, 2010 9:38 PM

Erik Sorry but it is buried too deep in the human psyche...They asked the same questions a thousand years ago..."Are the God's angry?" At least we don't sacrifice anyone to appease the God's anymore...I say that is at least a step in the right direction.

Posted by: Randall Nix | February 27, 2010 11:11 PM

I understand and if you look at the post I made to Passerby last night both before and after the quake you will see that I REALLY do understand.

I have had over 500 new visitors to my site since last night...people looking for info on Tsunamis and earthquakes. I really don't make anything off of what I post there because I feel like it is wrong to profit off of other peoples fears or misery. I do think it is a good thing to post info which can help someone understand things better and that is really my sole reason for doing it. The news guys see it differently, they see it as all dollars and let's face it disasters sell commercial spots...I wouldn't do it and you wouldn't do it but in a corporate environment you do what will make the most money for the corporation and that unfortunately is what they did.

Posted by: Randall Nix | February 27, 2010 11:32 PM

I'm still shaking! Here, more than 600 km south of the epicenter still was 5 Mercalli, but no major damages occured. The quake was located just in the Constitución-Concepción seismic "lagoon" (I don't know the english term), that was last affected by a M8+ about 150 years ago.
My fear is that this could trigger a new volcanic eruption.

Posted by: Guillermo | February 27, 2010 11:38 PM

"Idiotic MSNBC headline writers: are they out of control?"

Posted by: george.w | February 28, 2010 12:08 AM

Maybe if the Public complain, NBC will fire their Hype Dept writers, and they'll all be forced to get jobs writing for Popular Science.

And just now, the Headlines read "Tsunami Fizzles" - they are SO disappointed!!

Posted by: Fitz | February 28, 2010 1:20 AM

I hate to say it but they all do it...it's not just MSNBC. William Randolph Hearst was the king of Yellow Journalism. Unfortunately it made money then and it makes money now.

Posted by: Randall Nix | February 28, 2010 2:07 AM

Erik! "Humans perceive connections and patterns in events even when none are there". ;-) A biologist might tell you that this is indeed a survival mechanism and a social anthropologist that the people who got elevated to the positions of Village Shamans and Elders were those able to exploit it. Since our brain essentially is the same as those of our ancestors of 50,000 years ago, the ability to exploit human fears and beliefs is a social survival trait even today...

Posted by: Henrik | February 28, 2010 2:48 AM

I saw that headline early on--and did the appropriate eye-rolling in response. However, a closer look showed the story and headline originated at a website called LiveScience, a science news site that also provides syndicated articles to various outlets. It is owned by Imaginova--the former Space.com, created by Lou Dobbs of CNN. The author of the story (and supposedly its execrable headline) was the site's Managing Editor, Jeana Bryner.

Posted by: mjkbk | February 28, 2010 4:25 AM

It sounds like hippy drivel to me. We have offended Mother Nature and she's taking her revenge! I don't understand why people love superstition so much. Has anyone with easy access to long-period data looked to see if the shock is traveling around the world multiple times? My internet connection sucks and blows all at once so I can't look myself. Seismic stations around Asia should be far enough away to get a decent signal without being off scale.

Posted by: MadScientist | February 28, 2010 4:44 AM

uh, people like you who don't bother to read the 1000's of words JUST written in response to this blog by others who did???

poot.

Posted by: Darci | February 28, 2010 10:37 AM

Ahhhh sorry Richard but that was Roosevelt;)

Posted by: Randall Nix | February 28, 2010 12:00 PM

@Jim Eaton, I hope your brother is ok and that you will be able to hear from him soon. Let us know when you find out, ok?

Here is an interesting statistic, if you want to call it that. And I suspect most of you know this already, but I just though I would mention it in light of the media blabble.

One of the most active years for earthquakes, one they have on record for having the most quakes in one year, is 1943. I have not looked up the info on this, but I did see it somewhere (it has been a while)that was discussing quake activity.

I think these quakes are nothing out of the ordinary, although I do believe that at some time there will be more and more of them and I am not talking about 2012, either. I don't care who they are that try to predict the so called end of the world, of that day and hour no one knows. In the mean time, it is interesting to watch what happens and study each situation and learn from it. In just a short time, we have seen what can happen to our buildings, no matter how well built, when the earth shakes and a volcano erupts close to a city. We learn to do better planning, hopefully, so we can save more lives. The buildings will go, but people are more important than all the stuff in the world.

I know that is easy to say because I have not been in a disaster and I don't know how I would react. Most liklely like everybody else. Scared, lonely, lost, and wondering where my next meal will come from. With that, let's continue to remember the people in Chile and Haiti. It isn't over yet for Haiti and Chile is just beginning to dig out. The best we can do for them is pray and if you are not in that mode of thought, just think good thoughts toward them.

Posted by: Diane | February 28, 2010 12:11 PM

In a way, it is surprising that people do not get that correlation does not imply causation. Thanks to innumerable crime stories in books, on TV and in movies, the general public knows you can never convict based on only circumstantial evidence. Then again we've seen the media jump to conclusions in criminal cases again and again.
As others have pointed out, it is a systemic problem that is as old as the hills. However, that should not stop us from calling out loudly and repeatedly those who sensationalise and misreport.
Good work Erik.

Posted by: EKoh | February 28, 2010 12:40 PM

I love this blog.

Posted by: Dasnowskier | February 28, 2010 1:15 PM

Technology changes at a dizzying pace but human feelings and fears really don't...I guess that is why I am just a 16th century man in a 21st century world;)

"As, painfully to pore upon a book
To seek the light of truth, while truth the while
Doth falsely blind the eyesight of his look.
Light, seeking light, doth light of light beguile;
So ere you find where light in darkness lies,
Your light grows dark by losing of your eyes."

Love's Labor's Lost Act 1. scene 1, 72–79

Sorry but catastrophes and seeing human interactions before, during and after a catastrophe will always cause me to dust off my Shakespeare.

Posted by: Randall Nix | February 28, 2010 1:36 PM

Part of the reason it seems that there are more and more quakes is because the technology to detect them has become so much better. As I have said before, some time ago, that I was able to view a book that had all the seizmographs of the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. That was a treat to see all of them. Anyway, we are able to detect quakes we were not able to then or even in the 1940's. As I have watched the quake maps of CA on a daily basis since about 1995, I have noticed that over the years the number per week seemed to increase. In '95, there were an average of about 250/week. Now it can be anywhere between 450 and 700. I asked a seizmologist about that and he told me it was because of the advance in technology, that we are capable of detecting quakes we haven't been able to before.

We have always has thousands of quakes here in CA. I fail to see any indication of mathimatical regularity to the quakes. There are some areas that seem to have more of them, but they are not regular by any means. Of course, I am not a mathmatician. Math was one of my worst subjects, but I did ok; just not the best in the world. I would like to see some evidence of mathematical regularity to small events. I just don't see it. To me, quakes and volcanic eruptions are random, not mathematically predictable. Otherwise, it would seem to me that we would be able to predict these events already. I think the scientists have been looking for that for a long time. At least the mathmeticians.

There has been some checking out of weather and quakes, too. My dad once remarked to me that he thought it was earthquake weather when the clouds looked sort of weird. I don't think there is any such thing as quake weather. Now, repeated heavy rains may affect a fault close to the surface, but I doubt the water gets down far enough to cause a quake. As for denuding forests and such, that can cause landslides. Fires in CA happen from human causes and also Tstorms. One of the problems in CA is people building homes near chapparel brush and not clearing it around their homes far enough. That is why there is a 100' clearance now instead of the old 30'. Another problem is arson. Some of our largest fires were deliberately started. Some of them are accidental due to somebody mowing at the wrong time and creating a spark. I know about fires. I live with them. Where I live, we know it is a matter of time. Not if, but when. And believe me, a fire can be just as disasterous as a quake. I think sometimes we forget about that until one like the Oakland fire happens.

I suppose I have been on my soap box long enough. Point is, we live with disasters and what we can do in some cases is prepare as in having better building codes and such. Even here, there will be some quakes that the best built buildings won't be able to stand up to. That is the nature of it.

Posted by: Diane | February 28, 2010 2:47 PM

What has really changed in the last 50 years or so is the development of mega-cities, many of which are located close to earthquake faults. So when there is a big earthquake, the likelihood of many people being harmed and huge economic losses is much greater than just a few decades ago when the population was smaller, more dispersed and not jammed into substandard high rises. That, coupled with the development of instant communications via internet, etc. brings the news and noise right into our households hightening the sense of immenent threat even though the underlying geologic forces at work are unchanged.

Posted by: doug mcl | February 28, 2010 2:59 PM

Very useful website:

Ranking/list of major earthquakes of the 20th and 21st century, pre-20th and Other major events, respectively. Updated today to include yesterday's EQ.

https://www.msu.edu/~fujita/earthquake/bigquake.html

Recent paper suggesting clustering effect window of large-scale earthquakes may span more than a decade and thousands of kilometers.

Long-Term Influence of Giant Earthquakes: Backward Empirical Evidence and Forward Test. Warner Marzocchi and Jacopo Selva (2008) Bulletin of the Seismological Society of America 98(3):1102-1112.

Comment on the moment scale of the 1960 Chile earthquake.
"The seismic moment released in the largest event that occurred during this century, the 1960 southern Chile earthquake, represents about 30-45% of the total moment released from 1900 through 1989 (large earthquakes). "

Source: Seismic moment catalog of large shallow earthquakes, 1900 to 1989. (1994) Bulletin of the Seismological Society of America 82(3):1306-1349.

The second eruption 1960 (May 22) earthquake may have contributed to the fissure eruption, May 24-July 22, of Puyehue-Cordón Caulle, ~36 hours after the first an a few hours after of the two primary EQ events. The second major shock occurred during a very heavy rainfall. This volcano had been quiet since 1922; it has not erupted since 1960.

Posted by: Passerby | February 28, 2010 3:41 PM

Rather than babble on fear mongering news headlines, it is cogent to consider real potential for additional triggered events (earthquake or eruption) in the region.

See: The influence of great earthquakes on volcanic eruption rate along the Chilean subduction zone. Watt, Pyle and Mather (2009) Earth Planet Sci Lett 277(3-4):399-407.

Abstract: Seismic activity has been postulated as a trigger of volcanic eruption on a range of timescales, but demonstrating the occurrence of triggered eruptions on timescales beyond a few days has proven difficult using global datasets. ...We show a significant increase in eruption rate following earthquakes of MW > 8, notably in 1906 and 1960, with similar occurrences further back in the record. Eruption rates are enhanced above background levels for ~ 12 months following the 1906 and 1960 earthquakes, with the onset of 3–4 eruptions estimated to have been seismically influenced in each instance. Eruption locations suggest that these effects occur from the near-field to distances of ~ 500 km or more beyond the limits of the earthquake rupture zone. This suggests that both dynamic and static stresses associated with large earthquakes are important in eruption-triggering processes and have the potential to initiate volcanic eruption in arc settings over timescales of several months.

Posted by: Passerby | February 28, 2010 4:07 PM

@Eleanor: Calibrated seismic records do not extend much beyond 1940. I believe the earliest seismographs were built by the Germans using the Inverted Pendulum to drive a mechanical amplifier, but it was quite a few decades later before a calibration scheme was devised (and the galvanic device with a balanced photoelectric cell pair were already common; I don't think anyone calibrated the old inverted pendulum). So basically you knew there was an earthquake somewhere, but who knows how far or how powerful it was.

The other thing is that large earthquakes are relatively rare events (compared to the many thousand small ones which occur daily around the globe). There will be periods where you have more such events and periods where you have fewer. These events are rare enough that I doubt the instrumental record is long enough to show up any trends.

Posted by: MadScientist | February 28, 2010 4:30 PM

Anyone heard from Boris...I hope his friends in Chile made it ok.

Posted by: Randall Nix | February 28, 2010 6:14 PM

Don't get mad at me but it seems like you really need to direct your comments as much to "Stephen S. Gao, a geophysicist at Missouri University of Science and Technology" as to Jeanna Bryner and MSNBC.

Posted by: Randall Nix | February 28, 2010 6:59 PM

Please do a google search, find the David Pyle and Tamsin Mather paper I referenced above, and read it. The authors provide insight into this question, with excellent cautionary logic as well regarding observation/record completeness.

There IS temporal-spacial clustering of high-energy eruption and rupture events evident over the past (see Fig 3), but the pattern is periodic, not random and not necessarily increasing over time. This paper suggests that the observed recent increase is yet another punctuated change in major geological event rate, alluded to in the 2007 Long-term influence of giant earthquakes paper, too.

Key points raised here:

1. escalating and rolling human health and social costs with each large event are associated with an ever-increasing human population density in active seismic zones, especially in developing nations with inadequate building code controls, and

2. potential for human perturbation of the natural environment that may influence stress additive processes, nudging stress accumulation rates upward and potentiating high-energy failures.

Posted by: Passerby | February 28, 2010 7:36 PM

Agimarc Sorry but I don't think St Helens was caused by an earthquake, there were 10,000 earthquakes that proceeded it but they were caused by the volcano and were a sign of the coming eruption and not the cause. Erik or Boris correct me if I am wrong but I don't think anyone has ever identified a distant quake as the trigger for St Helens.

Also while we are technically still in a solar minimum sunspots have been on the increase since December, the Haiti and Chile quakes happened during a time when the Sun was much more active than it has been since 2004. I look at that stuff myself...I can't find a good paper on it or see any real cause and effect for volcanoes or earthquakes and the Sun. spaceweather.com

Posted by: Randall Nix | February 28, 2010 7:55 PM

BTW, correlation is NOT, repeat, IS NOT causation!!! Unless there is a direct link!!! And with what we are dealing with, it is very hard to prove a direct link.

Posted by: Diane | February 28, 2010 8:10 PM

Randall, it wasn't a distant quake, it was one practically beneath MSH. And someone else will correct me, but I believe it was tectonic.

Posted by: damon scott hynes | February 28, 2010 9:17 PM

Citation, Erik's comment:

Lipman PW, Mullineaux DR. 1981. The 1980 Eruptions of Mount St. Helens, Washington. USGS Publication 1250, 844 pp.

http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH/Publications/PP1250/framework.html

Posted by: Passerby | February 28, 2010 9:29 PM

I never said MSH was caused by a distant earthquake...I said it wasn't. The quake that caused the landslide happened because of the volcano and not the other way around...or is that not correct?

Posted by: Randall Nix | February 28, 2010 9:55 PM

@agimarc: We only know historic sunspot activity to some degree due to (often sporadic) observations over the past 400 years or so. Beyond that we know next to nothing. I don't see how sunspot activity can be linked to large eruptions; the sun cannot drive the primary mechanisms for volcanic activity. In fact with remote sensor systems which I deploy I rely on the fact that the sun cannot affect the earth's temperature significantly beyond a meter or two below the surface within any single season. Since the sun's output doesn't change all that much even between the most active and most quiet periods, I cannot see how that small change would suddenly have a great impact on something which the overall solar output does not have much effect on. You may get some situations where the sun drives circumstances incidental to volcanism, but even then I cannot imagine any reason for active years being more important than quiet years.

Posted by: MadScientist | February 28, 2010 10:36 PM

I agree with your post but headline writers did not write the content.

BTW this statement of yours about 3+ earthquakes is not correct, "sometimes we can go a day or two without really any around the world."

A 3.1 is a very minor thing and there are many each and every day. There have already been over 60 5+ aftershocks to the 8.8 quake and little comment, because even a 5+ is no big deal unless one occurs in an place where earthquakes are rare or kills many due to infrastructure failures.

Posted by: WOHANKA | February 28, 2010 10:59 PM

I believe my eyes were opened regarding the total inability of a major news agency to report factual details on a technical subject in 1988. I watched aghast as a 60 minutes reporter Ed Bradley proceeded to question an aircraft mechanic on the consequences of a certain airplane component failing. This mechanic had been fired by the airline for poor performance and insubordination when he refused to put this scratched and gouged component on the airplane. When Ed asked the guy what what would happen if this failed he claimed "it could be catastrophic". Ironically, I worked for the manufacturer, and my boss had just asked me to review how much damage the component could sustain before failing for some unknown lawsuit. I found myself screaming liar at the TV set. I realized that the show simply wanted the mechanic to utter those words so they could get more viewers. There was no questioning of an independent expert who had no reason to lie. It's happened over and over since the.

Posted by: Dan in Seattle | March 1, 2010 12:24 AM

@Mic22: Definitely one of the more stupid newspaper titles, and while the article itself is more pragmatic, it doesn't give an answer to the question - it rather states that even with the technology and knowledge available today, scientists are as helpless as ever when it comes to earthquake prediction. Yeah, right. We knew that since a while, and I fear that earthquakes will not be predictable for a long time if ever. That's because they are created by extremely complex processes happening in places to which we have no access.
To all those who ponder about links with solar activity and planetary constellations - it is fundamental to understand that earthquakes happen because the Earth is active and dynamic, and they would happen anyway whatever solar activity and planetary constellations we have because stresses build up due to plate tectonics and need to be released every now and then, usually this happens when the stresses increase beyond a certain threshold. It's the rocks that break along a fault, so it depends on the physical properties of these rocks, and on the speed and direction of plate movements, and whether there is water or other fluids in the fault areas, and a zillion other factors, which are all confined to this one planet. So even if solar activity or an alignment of the planets might exert a minimal gravitational or other force on the Earth, the energy involved is a minuscule fraction of the forces that work within the Earth, so they might help to accelerate things a tiny little bit but in the end it doesn't really make much of a difference.

I have never heard that the May 1980 eruption of Mount St Helens was triggered by a distant major earthquake, also because I recall that between a M 7.8 in Iran in September 1978 and a M 7.7 in Algeria in October 1980 there was not much going on in terms of large earthquakes globally. What is true is that a very local and shallow M 5 earthquake (triggered by the magma movement within the volcano) unleashed the catastrophic collapse of the unstable north flank of the volcano, which in turn led to the exposure and explosive decompression of the magma which had pushed into the volcano during the previous weeks.

On the other hand the large 1991 Pinatubo eruption was preceded, about a year earlier, by a M 7.7 earthquake centered about 100 km from the volcano, and it is generally believed that the earthquake might have had an influence on the reawakening of the volcano. But remember that many other large eruptions have occurred without preceding large earthquakes, and many large earthquakes have not been followed by significant earthquakes. These things can, and in most cases do, happen entirely by themselves, because the physical processes necessary to generate them are all there.

No news from my Chilean friends; I suppose there are still problems with the e-mail.

Posted by: Boris Behncke | March 1, 2010 3:39 AM

FWIW I keep a pretty constant eye on NZ's seismic network (from the safe distance of continental Europe) ;-) and there was no evidence of any upswing in local seismic activity despite the strong signal of the Chilean quake.

More interestingly is the odd bit of HT shown on various NZ volcanoes in the last few weeks (including Taranaki) Nothing serious as the RSAM plots show but still interesting to see these things are still very much alive and breathing.

re my opinion on TV news channels: guess I was kind of harsh in my first post here but I hate the speed and shallowness of most TV reporting. It can be and sometimes is a brilliant medium when you get a proper documentary done but I have major problems with the sensationalist reporting that many news stations fall prey to. The bit I saw on CNN was the ten minutes before Acapulco was about to be "hit" by the first tsunami. This was tortured reporting at its best and not far removed from the 2012 kind of thing, aimed solely at stoking the public's fascination with disaster.

Posted by: bruce stout | March 1, 2010 8:04 AM

MSNBC reporting on environmental issues has been hopeless for years. I don't know if it's sensationalism, stupidity or agenda driven. Their coverage of climate change ranks close to the bottom with Newsweek's Sharon Begley in terms of being biased and one-sided. I'm waiting for the headline correlating earthquake intensity with global warming. They have done this with tropical cyclone intensity and with the recent northern hemisphere snowstorms. Right now, I think they'll put anything in a headline and expect people to believe it.

Posted by: Chris | March 1, 2010 11:45 AM

Erik, you hack, you've done it again. You really should stop trying to attempt media commentary because you're so bad at it.

First and foremost it really looks like you never bothered to read the article.

(From the very 1st paragraph): "...the 8.8-magnitude temblor that shook the region overnight was not a surprise, historically speaking. Nor was it outside the realm of normal, scientists say, even though it comes on the heels of other major earthquakes."

The answer to "Is Nature Out of Control?" is an emphatic no! Why would you assume that the answer is yes unless you didn't read it, or you were too concerned with pushing your own agenda that you decided to overlook what the very 1st paragraph said?

(Arguably the answer to the question could be a "yes" in the sense that we cannot control earthquakes, but that is beside the point.)

What is more troublesome is that right now there is some of the best geological based science reporting in recent memory, explaining why the Chile earthquake was less catastrophic than Haiti and why only a small tsunami occurred.

See:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704089904575094013194396670.html?KEYWORDS=chile+haiti

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124181825

You're selectively cherry picking and misrepresenting facts to fit your agenda. Again.

Posted by: Quantos | March 2, 2010 10:05 AM

Quantos I don't always agree with Erik, I also know he doesn't always agree with me but we don't let things degenerate into name calling. Would you go to someone's house and use their home and hospitality, then call them names and treat them like crap? He has allowed you to be here and given you a forum to speak your opinion....please try to speak it in a civil manner.

"To offend and judge are distinct offices,
And of opposed natures."
Shakespeare The Merchant Of Venice Act 2, scene

Posted by: Randall Nix | March 2, 2010 10:36 AM

Erik, I did not miss the point.

MSNBC "sold" the article as "IS Nature Out Of Control?" a question that honestly many people are wondering given the spate of high profile powerful earthquakes recently. It is not "exploiting" feelings to answer those questions.

The article quotes a geologist saying that there have been a greater number of powerful earthquakes in the last 20 years vs. the 20 years previously, adding that it "Could simply be the natural temporal variation of the stress field in the earth's lithosphere."

This is factually correct. The full article expands on it to say that though there have been more as of late, that it does not mean that the world is changing seismically for the worse over the long run.

MSNBC and Live Science did not act irresponsibly by posing and answering a question that many people are wondering. If someone draws an incorrect conclusion, they are the ones at fault for only reading a headline, adn not actually reading the article, which they had full access to if they could see the headline.

As far as "name-calling and trash talk," you were the one to first use the term "hack" when you said "This type of headline is irresponsible, reprehensible 'journalism' that the worst hacks should be ashamed to print." What was this about having a nice dialogue about the state of science in the media?

Posted by: Quantos | March 2, 2010 11:00 AM

I would argue no it is not irresponsible, provided that there is a good reason for it. Take for example a hypothetical article dispelling all of this 2012 nonsense. I would argue that because there is enough people that do legitimately believe the world will end in 2012, it's not only responsible, but very necessary.

Likewise to pose a question that many are feeling, i.e. is the Earth more seismically active (albeit posed somewhat imprecisely), then answer the question correctly is likewise responsible.

Reaching out to popular emotions in order to dispel myths is not irresponsible.

My problem with the proposed "Chilean earthquake is not out of the ordinary" headline is that this was one of the largest magnitude earthquakes in history, not an ordinary one. Though it is factually true, no one will read "Major earthquakes part of the planetary system." A good article that goes unread is not much more useful as one that goes unwritten.

Posted by: Quantos | March 2, 2010 11:32 AM

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Posted by: EKoh | March 2, 2010 11:51 AM

The subject of 'nature being out of control' does play in the minds of a lot of laypeople and I do agree that the subject should therefore be mentioned with a title that fits it.

However, the fact that Erik is critical about it is important as well. The title could have been longer for example, like 'Is nature out of control? Scientists say no'. And there is a lot of fear mongering bull sh!t on the internet, so this place as the 'usual critical marginal note' to what's out there is one of the things that I like here. It puts things in perspective.

Now I know that more people read MSNBC than there are people that read this blog, but that's a reason why the voice 'screaming' back has to be loud. MSNBC's line may make the article look more sensational, but if that's a way the get the actual message out there, so is Erik's approach.

Posted by: Gijs de Reijke | March 2, 2010 3:22 PM

I still want to blame it all on Loki....but none of you guys will let me;)
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Posted by: Randall Nix | March 2, 2010 6:43 PM

Yet just make this a debate shall we? If you don't like what someone has to say they do not comment got that or better yet you should be blocked from posting at all! I guess you think you are the expert and Erik is not which is just plain stupid of you.

Posted by: Chance Metz | March 2, 2010 7:40 PM

Erik you are really going to love this;)

"Financial Advisor Magazine

March 2010 issue
The Age Of Living Lean
Loomis Sayles’ Dan Fuss sees a soft recovery in which quality businesses gain at the expense of the rest.
By Evan Simonoff

The area around Yellowstone National Park has been experiencing a series of mini-earthquakes in recent months and, given that it lies on top of a mega-volcano and one of the four major fault lines, there is a reason for concern.

“The local tourism board probably doesn’t want you to write that,” says Dan Fuss, co-manager of the Loomis Sayles Bond Fund. Unfortunately, the geology around Yellowstone shares a lot of similarities with the global economy these days.

No one knows whether the next crisis will be a volcano or an earthquake, like a possible default by Spain or California, or whether it will be a minor economic tremor like the one in Dubai or the travails of Greece. But the economic environment isn’t very comforting.

Fuss, who shared Morningstar’s 2009 Fixed-Income Manager of the Year award with his fellow co-managers, isn’t necessarily predicting another tsunami. Indeed, the Big One probably already came in the fall of 2008 and the struggles of Dubai, Greece and Harrisburg, Pa., could just be aftershocks....."

fa-mag.com/component/content/article/5242.html?magazineID=1&issue=139&Itemid=73

Posted by: Randall Nix | March 2, 2010 9:57 PM

Prehaps not but that doesn't make it right for him to basically go out and claim Erik is going after the media to serve his own purpose.

Posted by: Chance Metz | March 2, 2010 10:33 PM

Chance No it doesn't...but two wrongs don't make a right. You can go to Erik's defense without resorting to calling someone stupid or saying they should be banned....When you resort to those tactics it weakens your cause;)

Diane was that groan at the news story or my Shakespeare quotes?

Posted by: Randall Nix | March 3, 2010 2:01 AM

@Randall, that groan was right after your news story. What I perceived was a parody of the economic market with the geological events that have been happening, as if there is a connection. Maybe I misunderstood your post.

I don't mind your Shakespeare quotes, though I am not particularly into Shakespeare. I think I had to read Henry II for an English class many years ago and it was ok. Just not my forte. :-)

Posted by: Diane | March 3, 2010 12:31 PM

Wow, I write one provocative headline and folks really get fired up! I went with that headline because I felt it probably reflected the question that some people had in mind after the earthquakes in Haiti and Chile (and Japan and Sumatra...). Of course the answer is that the seismic activity is not beyond the pale, but if I were to write a headline saying "Chile quake really not that bad" ... would people read it? In this case, I thought a question headline was appropriate. After a discussion with other editors, we did refocus the headline to ask instead "Are big quakes getting worse?" (Again, the short answer is no.) But it is interesting to note that in the related Newsvine question, 41.5 percent agreed that "natural disasters seem to come more frequently than they have in the past," compared with 45.5 percent who said there was nothing unusual about the latest string of disasters.

http://technology-science.newsvine.com/_question/2010/02/27/3958973-does-nature-seem-as-if-its-out-of-control

If there's anything you're wondering about relating to MSNBC's science coverage, please feel free to drop me a line. I'm glad for the opportunity to chat with y'all.

Posted by: Alan Boyle | March 3, 2010 3:11 PM

@ Alan Boyle: your personal motivation helps making things clearer. Or at least it does to me. It's interesting to see that there has actually been a discussion at MSNBC about the choice of the title. And I do think a question headline is appropriate.

However, I think there's still a good point in being careful with these kind of topics. Informing the public correctly is what matters most. A title that makes one want to read an article is a way to get people to actually read it. I personally don't really mind the title, but on the other hand I don't think Erik is wrong by mentioning that the subject should not be a prey to sensationalism.

Thanks for participating in the discussion!

Posted by: Gijs de Reijke | March 3, 2010 4:32 PM

I think it's fair to say that everything is caused by something and that it will in turn cause something else. The chaos theory (with the butterfly effect as the best known metaphor) explains how that works. A strong earthquake near Chile has been caused by enormous amounts of stress, and the quake itself has caused/will cause stress somewhere else in its turn, that might lead to a big quake at e.g. Juan de Fuca plate. Whatever lies in between the two quakes is way too complex to get a good picture of. What are all the factors? What part do all of those factors play and very important: how big is their individual role in the entire chain of events? Therefore I think that words like 'random' and 'chance' don't fit in the world of geology. We are just not able to tell what's really going on. We can only guess based upon the information we are able to comprehend.

So I agree (again): jumping to conclusions isn't going to do any good, whether it's about earthquakes or big caldera forming eruptions or anything else that can have a huge impact on a large number of people. That's also why sensationalism has to be avoided.

Posted by: Gijs de Reijke | March 3, 2010 5:59 PM

@ Alan respect for showing your face here. Much appreciated. I guess the issue many of us have here is the rather gaping disparity between the fears of the wider population about geological events and the facts. When we see the press then stoking these fears (albeit indirectly in a rhetorical headline) it kind of gets our goat.

As a corollary, the classic example often discussed here is a "super" eruption from somewhere like Yellowstone which thanks to various films has burnt its image on the public consciousness without unfortunately any balancing awareness of just how rare these things are or how they actually work. Any article that associates an earthquake swarm at Yellowstone with an imminent "super" eruption, even negatively, draws a groan because the damage is done, purely by association.

Granted, as a media person I am sure you are fully aware of just how juicy a natural catastrophe is as a media drawcard so when something like the Chilean quake happens it is kind of ripe for the picking and it would be a bit naive of us to accuse you of exploiting it.

That said, the real news in this event is not that an M8.8 earthquake occured, or that the frequency of earthquakes is particularly high (it isn't) but that so few people died in such a huge event. There are no doubt some natural parameters that played a role (depth of the quake, location, type of wave form) but the main thing is how well structures held up. Even those that did fall over didn't collapse so that most people were able to climb out of them. This, by any stretch of the imagination, is a huge triumph of modern building and would make a great story.

Posted by: bruce stout | March 4, 2010 3:49 AM

Both objectively and subjectively, I think it's not unfair to say that earthquakes are "worse", if one is speaking of human consequences. First, urban migration means more people in more structures more susceptible to damage. Second, as noted, there is much more information about earthquake events that historically the case, which raises the salience and recall in people's perceptions. So, an average human being might indeed say they're "worse."

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