nuclear fusion https://www.scienceblogs.com/ en Scientific Paradoxes are Omens of Advance https://www.scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/10/02/scientific-paradoxes-are-omens-of-advance <span>Scientific Paradoxes are Omens of Advance</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." -Charles Darwin</p></blockquote> <p>There are problems with science today, no doubt. With all the knowledge we've accumulated about the Universe, from the smallest subatomic scales to the farthest recesses of deep space, there are still realms and regimes where our best theories fail, where the predictions and the data don't match, and where no known explanation is sufficient for the phenomena that shows up.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/Michelson_Morley_intf.gif"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29426" alt="Image credit: The Michelson-Morley interferometer, via University of Virginia." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/Michelson_Morley_intf-600x349.gif" width="600" height="349" /></a> Image credit: The Michelson-Morley interferometer, via University of Virginia. </div> <p>But this is where all the potential for scientific growth lives. Believe it or not, one of the most important scientific paradoxes for astrophysics, cosmology, and the Universe happened... in the wake of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin">Charles Darwin</a>! That's right, after <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species">On the Origin of Species</a>, a crisis came about for <em>physical</em> science.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/Charles-Darwin-tree-of-life-poster.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29424" alt="Image credit: The Open University (UK)." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/Charles-Darwin-tree-of-life-poster-600x885.jpg" width="600" height="885" /></a> Image credit: The Open University (UK). </div> <p>You see, Darwin's idea -- that the diversity of life on Earth was explained by the evolution and natural selection of organisms over huge amounts of time -- meant that, if Earth's life had a universal common ancestor, timescale of at least many <em>hundreds of millions of years</em> were required. And with the modern knowledge of geology at the time (in the later half of the 19th Century), which argued for an age of the Earth that was at least a couple of billion years old, we faced a conundrum.</p> <p>All because of this guy.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/PIA03149.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29425" alt="Image credit: NASA, via http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/PIA03149-600x581.jpg" width="600" height="581" /></a> Image credit: NASA, via <a href="http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/">http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/</a>. </div> <p>You see, if life-as-we-know-it has been around for hundreds of millions of years, that means that the Sun had to have been shining for hundreds of millions of years, too! And that's not such an easy thing to imagine, since the Sun is the most powerful thing in all of human (and Earth-life) experience. Putting out a continuous 4 × 10<sup>26</sup> Watts of power, it's needless to say that adds up to a <em>lot</em> of energy over hundreds of millions of years!</p> <p>But energy needs to have a source, and if you want to emit 4 × 10<sup>26</sup> Watts for at least hundreds of millions of years, you'd better have an energy source that makes it physically possible.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/Lord_Kelvin_photograph.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29428" alt="Image credit: Photograph of William Thomson, Lord Kelvin; photographer unknown." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/Lord_Kelvin_photograph-600x751.jpg" width="600" height="751" /></a> Image credit: Photograph of William Thomson, Lord Kelvin; photographer unknown. </div> <p>This was one of the problems that (arguably) the greatest physicist of the day -- Lord Kelvin -- decided to take on. There was some suspicion that the Sun was made out of many of the same elements that the Earth was (due to the solar spectrum), including a very strong hydrogen signature. Based on that, Kelvin came up with three possible energy sources for the Sun:</p> <ol><li><span style="line-height: 13px;">The Sun is burning some type of fuel, like hydrogen.</span></li> <li>The Sun is feeding off of comets, asteroids, etc., and burns the fuel from them for energy.</li> <li>The Sun -- being incredibly massive -- gets its energy from the incredible force of gravity.</li> </ol><p>And since those were the only three possibilities he could think of, he went and calculated <em>how long</em> the Sun could burn for -- emitting a continuous 4 × 10<sup>26</sup> Watts of power -- before it ran out of energy.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/bubbles_explode.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-29429" alt="Image credit: user charleytown55il of http://laserpointerforums.com/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/bubbles_explode.jpg" width="600" height="450" /></a> Image credit: user charleytown55il of <a href="http://laserpointerforums.com/">http://laserpointerforums.com/</a>. </div> <p>Here on Earth, hydrogen combusting (i.e., burning by combining with oxygen) has the potential to release a tremendous amount of energy. And the Sun is... well, it's kind of <em>huge</em>, with a total mass of around 2 × 10<sup>30</sup> kg in there. If the Sun were made <em>entirely</em> out of hydrogen that was combusting at a rate so that it emitted the right amount of power, how long could it live?</p> <p>The answer Kelvin came up with was a few tens-of-thousands of years. A long time, for certain, but not <em>nearly</em> long enough. So that ruled out the first option.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/gabriel-brammer-took-this-shot-of-the-comet-over-the-coast-of-chile-at-sunset-on-march-4.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29430" alt="Image credit: Gabriel Brammer at Paranal Observatory." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/gabriel-brammer-took-this-shot-of-the-comet-over-the-coast-of-chile-at-sunset-on-march-4-600x400.jpg" width="600" height="400" /></a> Image credit: Gabriel Brammer at Paranal Observatory. </div> <p>But what if comets, asteroids, and other transient bodies in our Solar System occasionally refueled our Sun? Could that enable it to burn for long enough, extending its lifetime to the hundreds of millions of years necessary to meet Darwin's requirements?</p> <p>If only. Unfortunately, this was even easier to rule out; the amount of mass that would have been added to the Sun, over time, would have <em>wrecked</em> the orbits of the planets, in clear conflict with the laws of gravity. (And yes, even though General Relativity later succeeded Newton's theory, the argument is still valid.) So that option was out. And that leaves Kelvin's final consideration.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/siriusb.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29431" alt="Image credit: NASA, ESA; created by: G. Bacon (STScI)." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/siriusb-600x450.jpg" width="600" height="450" /></a> Image credit: NASA, ESA; created by: G. Bacon (STScI). </div> <p>Gravity. Specifically, gravitational contraction, where the gravitational potential energy gets converted into light and heat. Just as, if you drop an object from a great height on Earth, it picks up speed (and hence, kinetic energy), a cloud of contracting gas (or plasma, or anything under its own gravity) will gain some type of energy to compensate for the new, lower-energy gravitational configuration. Kelvin was no doubt the world's foremost expert on this, as the mechanism by which this happens bears his name: the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin%E2%80%93Helmholtz_mechanism">Kelvin-Helmholtz Mechanism</a>.</p> <p>The Sun, if it had contracted all of that mass down to its present size in such a way that it emitted energy at the observed rate (4 × 10<sup>26</sup> Watts), couldn't have lived for <em>hundreds</em> of millions of years, but could have lived for about <em>eighteen million years</em>.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/burgessshale.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29433" alt="Image credit: Copyright 2001-2013, Michael McDarby." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/burgessshale-600x455.jpg" width="600" height="455" /></a> Image credit: Copyright 2001-2013, Michael McDarby. </div> <p>So that was a problem: Darwin needed hundreds of millions of years to explain biology, geologists needed billions of years to explain the Earth, and Kelvin placed an upper limit of only <em>tens</em> of millions of years on the age of the Sun.</p> <p>But this seeming paradox was actually an omen of advance; Kelvin had no way of knowing that there was an <i>entirely new type of fuel</i>, that of nuclear fusion!</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/proton_proton_chain.gif"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29434" alt="Image credit: Artwork by Randy Russell." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/proton_proton_chain-600x416.gif" width="600" height="416" /></a> Image credit: Artwork by Randy Russell. </div> <p>This would prove to be the way forward, and the resolution to the paradox presented by Kelvin and Darwin's irreconcilable findings, something unknowable to both men at the time.</p> <p>Interestingly enough, <em>some</em> stars -- white dwarfs in particular -- <em>do</em> operate under the Kelvin-Helmholtz Mechanism, and because of their much lower luminosity (intrinsic brightness) than Sun-like stars, will shine for many <em>trillions</em> (or even quadrillions) of years before going dark!</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/m4h0319.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29435" alt="Images credit: HST, NASA and H. Richer (UBC) (R); NOAO / AURA / NSF (L)." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/10/m4h0319-600x419.jpg" width="600" height="419" /></a> Images credit: HST, NASA and H. Richer (UBC) (R); NOAO / AURA / NSF (L). </div> <p>We have a significant number of important paradoxes today that are difficult to reconcile, including the black hole firewall problem, the inability to marry quantum mechanics to general relativity, the puzzles of dark matter and dark energy, the strong CP problem, the puzzle of tiny but non-zero neutrino masses, and the hierarchy problem, to name just a few.</p> <p>These are the edges of knowledge and understanding, and rather than marking the breakdown of science, these are actually beacons that point the way forward. And hopefully, just like you, I can't wait to find out what's next!</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/startswithabang" lang="" about="/startswithabang" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">esiegel</a></span> <span>Wed, 10/02/2013 - 12:52</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/astronomy-0" hreflang="en">Astronomy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/biology" hreflang="en">biology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/physics" hreflang="en">Physics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/solar-system" hreflang="en">Solar System</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/stars" hreflang="en">Stars</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/age" hreflang="en">age</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/contraction" hreflang="en">contraction</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/darwin" hreflang="en">darwin</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/earth" hreflang="en">Earth</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/fusion" hreflang="en">Fusion</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/kelvin" hreflang="en">Kelvin</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/kelvin-helmholtz" hreflang="en">kelvin-helmholtz</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/mechanism" hreflang="en">mechanism</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/nuclear-fusion" hreflang="en">nuclear fusion</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/sun" hreflang="en">sun</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/stars" hreflang="en">Stars</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521863" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380737825"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>brilliant post</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521863&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XjmNjHjSahOeDEpSod8z5WaTVoLhrFw9h-pjE49KrM8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">crd2 (not verified)</span> on 02 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521863">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521864" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380751263"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Here's to hoping that we eventually understand space-time well enough to make an Alcubierre drive work. F***ing space-time! How DOES it work?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521864&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="25TEeAbzJWaF3JNyvJt9UjzlD-Te-OlnPb4oFVDBZnY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Artor (not verified)</span> on 02 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521864">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521865" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380757855"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Maybe you could have a series of articles about the paradox's that you mention at the end of this article?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521865&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="OmVA26-zhDzvVngIpAUE9RJaETCY9-yee1UIHF3UyYI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">GB (not verified)</span> on 02 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521865">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521866" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380758444"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Fortunately there was a New Zealander to sort it out.<br /> "I came into the room, which was half dark, and presently spotted Lord Kelvin in the audience and realized that I was in trouble at the last part of my speech dealing with the age of the earth, where my views conflicted with his. To my relief, Kelvin fell fast asleep, but as I came to the important point, I saw the old bird sit up, open an eye, and cock a baleful glance at me! Then a sudden inspiration came, and I said, 'Lord Kelvin had limited the age of the earth, provided no new source was discovered. That prophetic utterance refers to what we are now considering tonight, radium!' Behold! the old boy beamed upon me"</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521866&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="x353JyHuujKvn6LLql2wHnR3Ll7IQAnbmbrEFD_1q8w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gordon (not verified)</span> on 02 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521866">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521867" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380777773"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>LOL, Rutherford was a great bloke, and so was Kelvin. </p> <p>Ethan: why don't you do some "weekend diversion" blog pieces on things like the black hole firewall problem, QM + GR, dark energy/matter, the strong-CP problem and the hierarchy problem.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521867&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="RyxTymo6uuj_rXZwdcp8h0_aPcbgc7k8pKA6C1zjKgQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John Duffield (not verified)</span> on 03 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521867">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521868" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380780764"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I would read those. Eagerly.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521868&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="u2JMmSqndKpG6DbzTd6nek34BqFCIOUYufg85Mn0Pk0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">L.Rowan (not verified)</span> on 03 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521868">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="33" id="comment-1521869" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380784022"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>John and L.Rowan,</p> <p>You are going to love the "search this blog" feature at the upper right of each page. I tend not to write about physics <i>too</i> much on the weekend, as, you know, the whole "diversion" thing is about exposing my audience to something they might not normally encounter, but I have written about most of those topics prolifically in the past. For example:</p> <p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/03/08/black-holes-wont-incinerate-you-after-all/">Black hole firewalls </a><br /><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/05/23/what-is-dark-energy-2/">Dark</a> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/04/12/inflation-dark-energy-and-the-physics-of-spacetime/">energy</a> (<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/12/28/the-universe-beyond-our-reach/">a few</a> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/07/19/one-does-not-simply-believe-in-dark-energy/">select</a> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2010/01/15/what-it-took-to-get-me-to-beli/">pieces</a>)<br /><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/12/07/yes-we-really-really-need-dark-matter/">Dark</a> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/01/18/why-the-universe-needs-dark-matter-and-not-mond-in-one-graph/">matter</a> (<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/04/10/what-matters-about-dark-matter/">a few</a> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/07/03/does-dark-matter-affect-the-motion-of-the-solar-system/">select</a> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/09/18/the-little-bit-of-dark-matter-we-know/">pieces</a>)<br /><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/07/06/now-that-weve-got-the-higgs-whats-next/">Strong-CP problem</a><br /><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/09/19/the-greatest-unsolved-problem-in-theoretical-physics/">The hierarchy problem</a>.</p> <p>And so on. :-)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521869&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Aa70GeYKfLVkm7LdtQ0F4K896Q3VpankWdE3ofm6EEM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/startswithabang" lang="" about="/startswithabang" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">esiegel</a> on 03 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521869">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/startswithabang"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/startswithabang" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/pastey-120x120_0.jpg?itok=sjrB9UJU" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user esiegel" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521870" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380800566"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi Ethan,</p> <p>Great article! Fascinating to think about "deep time" quadrillions of years into the future. You might like the 5 Eras of the Universe - a book that considers time on a scale going out to 10^150 years (!)</p> <p>Meanwhile, if you're looking for paradoxes in science, here's one from the world of nutrition. We've all been told that "a calorie is a calorie" when it comes to fat gain/loss, but that theory creates all sorts of paradoxes, 9 of which I've detailed here if you're interested - <a href="http://www.caloriegate.com/the-black-box/9-pictures-that-prove-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt-that-calories-dont-count">http://www.caloriegate.com/the-black-box/9-pictures-that-prove-beyond-a…</a></p> <p>Hopefully you're right that the emergence of paradoxes precedes scientific leaps. :)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521870&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="y4rdhQDzguSuevxCQXoCKp9E0r2_COAr1py2kEaFi4o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Adam (not verified)</span> on 03 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521870">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521871" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380800953"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This was an interesting post, which raises additioanl questions.<br /> 1. Are there a finite number of physical laws meaning science can come do a dead end where all laws are kown, or are thare an infinite number- so there will always be new paradoxes to resolve?</p> <p>2. Even if there are an unlimited number of new discoveries possible, will there come a point where humans are just not smart enough to discover any further laws?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521871&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XRVQSCfWgfK6Z3T6hdYjORKYGQFi0EQKDZW6z8m2Cj8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alan D McIntire (not verified)</span> on 03 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521871">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521872" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380809546"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Read Thomas Kuhn.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521872&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7GPpu4ZIclAjeGoWloyI1-GGbEZAEq0QhtfP2PjyKFk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dave (not verified)</span> on 03 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521872">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521873" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380812023"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Dave - was just about to write that to Alan :)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521873&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="lV8EmNNUsJoEBqaVfpiPr-pHyc2syNcOBb7OCVOgJig"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Adam (not verified)</span> on 03 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521873">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521874" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380838186"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Logically, a paradox is a boo-boo, not a design feature, or a 'beacon' of discovery...unless by 'discovery' you are trying to locate errors in reasoning.<br /> Paradoxes are a contradiction. If your argument contains a contradiction, something is wrong with either your assumptions or reasoning, literally. When scientific or mathematical arguments contain paradox, something is wrong with the assumptions/reasoning, and you should unravel it before proceeding or everything that you build atop the paradox is undermined logically. This does not always happen, for various reasons (none of them legitimate excuses) sometimes a paradox is allowed, which will only create an endless stream of divergent paradoxes eventually, just as with a lie, once you allow the first, an endless succession of lies occurs to try and prop up the first, growing ever more complicated as ever more contradictions are created with other facts (just think of the snowballing effect in Seinfeld). Philosophically, lies, contradictions, and paradoxes will diverge from reality, where truth or accurate facts will converge on reality. When the argument used to defend a paradox becomes 'complexity' itself (trust me, I'm an expert, it's too complicated for you to understand), you are being mislead or lied to. </p> <p>P.S. Before anyone gets excited about the paradox of 'black hole information firewalls' or other theoretical stellar phenomena, please realize the only place a black hole exists is in a completely mathematical space containing no matter, not actual reality. Google "Ric=0", all the black hole nonsense revolves around it . All black hole math is based on initial contradictions or paradoxes which exclude them from being representational of actual reality. There may very well be super dense objects in the universe, but they don't function according to nonsensical paradoxes or the badly fudged math used in General Relativity to describe a universe that can contain no matter, and no more than one object ( except for a singularity which is a point that has no size or volume), as the field equations used are highly non linear (you can't insert more piles of matter by the very definition of NON LINEAR) and have no solution for two or more objects. Beware of used car salesmen who drive around in motorized wheelchairs while hawking 'black hole theories '.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521874&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="r1WlC3FDwOkOTTPmY27ys9TXmP1wThPhXrWcD6EHSGI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">CFT (not verified)</span> on 03 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521874">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521875" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380845378"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"please realize the only place a black hole exists is in a completely mathematical space containing no matter"</p> <p>Odd, since a black hole requires matter. No matter in the black hole = no mass = no gravity = no black hole.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521875&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Rp2x1K-qVQcmOqsC9qxBde9-SrjnQvnTABV3BHWqy_M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 03 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521875">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521876" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380845438"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"Beware of used car salesmen who drive around in motorized wheelchairs while hawking ‘black hole theories ‘."</p> <p>You missed out "And I have a reasonably priced car for you, one careful lady owner!"...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521876&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6LlWeixh88NkCsfQxPszQJ4WDMck0Jlc8uj1IssfM_M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 03 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521876">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521877" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380945388"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>CPT: I share your sentiment, but would say that it isn't GR per se that's at fault.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521877&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7X20Pge-hdbJguKw0j14NU1KR1aYNqY0jxoDiaOUx-g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John Duffield (not verified)</span> on 04 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521877">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521878" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380946146"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ethan: thanks. I had a look at a couple of those articles. Shame they aren't current, because I could I say a thing or two. For example, have you ever read what Friedwardt Winterberg has to say about firewalls? From what I know of fundamental physics, he's right.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521878&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6UW25HKp2dJgI_OJWif_n43ZRcUxtJSGuMlYDYcTRxM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John Duffield (not verified)</span> on 05 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521878">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521879" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380966287"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There's a minimum about of energy associated with 1 bit of information, depending on temperature.<br /> If we know a neutrino, then it must have at least the mass associated with it's information?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521879&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CojvI9tr_JWQnV7qeG3s_KFcRJW8swM4nQbCORoY-58"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">C4A (not verified)</span> on 05 Oct 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10031/feed#comment-1521879">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/startswithabang/2013/10/02/scientific-paradoxes-are-omens-of-advance%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Wed, 02 Oct 2013 16:52:45 +0000 esiegel 35707 at https://www.scienceblogs.com