reionization https://www.scienceblogs.com/ en What does the Universe look like as seen from its most distant galaxy? https://www.scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/09/05/what-does-the-universe-look-like-as-seen-from-its-most-distant-galaxy <span>What does the Universe look like as seen from its most distant galaxy?</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>"One sees qualities at a distance and defects at close range." -<em>Victor Hugo</em></p></blockquote> <p>A couple of weeks ago we took a look at <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/08/23/the-most-distant-galaxy-in-the-universe/">the most distant galaxy</a> (so far) in the known Universe, a galaxy so far away that it takes exclusively infrared observations from our most power space telescopes (Hubble and Spitzer) in order to detect it. What's perhaps even more remarkable is that the light we <em>do</em> detect from it -- the light we detected in the infrared -- was actually emitted <em>in the Ultraviolet</em> part of the spectrum!</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/Hudf09z10nl.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29173" alt="Image credit: NASA, ESA, Garth Illingworth (University of California, Santa Cruz) and Rychard Bouwens (University of California, Santa Cruz and Leiden University) and the HUDF09 Team." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/Hudf09z10nl-600x600.png" width="600" height="600" /></a> Image credit: NASA, ESA, Garth Illingworth (University of California, Santa Cruz) and Rychard Bouwens (University of California, Santa Cruz and Leiden University) and the HUDF09 Team. </div> <p>It's only the vast expansion-and-redshift of the Universe that has taken place, along with the fact that the light has been traveling for some 13.4 billion years, that allow us to observe it as we do. Considering that the Universe itself is only 13.8 billion years old, we're not just looking a vast distance across the cosmos when we look at this galaxy, we're also taking a tremendous glimpse <em>back in time</em>.</p> <p>I don't know about you, but I can't help but wonder what we'd see if we were somehow (and don't worry about <em>how</em>) located in that distant galaxy, and looked out into the Universe from there.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/DaveMorrow.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29174" alt="Image credit: Dave Morrow, ©2013 OneBigPhoto.com." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/DaveMorrow-600x386.jpg" width="600" height="386" /></a> Image credit: Dave Morrow, ©2013 OneBigPhoto.com. </div> <p>No matter what, you'd be living within a galaxy (or proto-galaxy), and would see a night sky filled with all the stars from within it. But what would you see <em>in detail</em>, and what would you find when you looked <em>beyond</em> your own galaxy? There are two different answers, depending on how you interpret this: an interesting one and an <em>incredibly</em> interesting one. Regular-interesting first.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/supercls.gif"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29175" alt="Image credit: Richard Powell of http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/supercls-600x562.gif" width="600" height="562" /></a> Image credit: Richard Powell of <a href="http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/">http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/</a>. </div> <p>Let's imagine that <em>instead</em> of evolving here, in our Milky Way, second largest galaxy in our local group, a small group of galaxies some 50-60 million light years from the core of the Virgo Supercluster, a minor overdensity among many superclusters in the large-scale structure of the Universe, we evolved <em>over there</em>. Over where we see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDFj-39546284">UDFj-39546284</a>, the current record-holder for most distant galaxy.</p> <p>What would we see?</p> <p>In some ways, it'd be very similar to our current view today.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/sculptor-wall-of-galaxies4.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29178" alt="Image credit: 2MASS, IPAC / Caltech and UMass." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/sculptor-wall-of-galaxies4-600x479.jpg" width="600" height="479" /></a> Image credit: 2MASS, IPAC / Caltech and UMass. </div> <p>We'd still live in a Universe that was 13.8 billion years old, we'd still live in a Universe with the same proportions of dark matter, dark energy, normal matter and radiation, we'd still live in a Universe where matter clumped and clustered according to the same laws and patterns that we observe today, a Universe with the same spectrum of fluctuations and the same temperature spectrum (at 2.73 K) as our own observed <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/06/19/5-facts-you-probably-dont-know-about-the-cosmic-microwave-background/">cosmic microwave background</a>. And we would still see a huge variety of star types, planets, star clusters, globular clusters and galaxies right in our own backyard. Those large-scale things would be the same.</p> <p>But some important details would be <em>very</em> different.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/CMB_ESA.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29176" alt="Images credit: ESA and the Planck Collaboration (top), ESA, of a simulation (bottom)." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/CMB_ESA-600x604.jpg" width="600" height="604" /></a> Images credit: ESA and the Planck Collaboration (top), ESA, of a simulation (bottom). </div> <p>For one, the Cosmic Microwave Background would have a completely different pattern of hot-and-cold spots across the sky. The temperature pattern we see here-and-now is specific both to our location <em>and</em> to our present time; at any other location and at any other time (in increments of about 117,000 years or at distances differing by about 117,000 light-years), the pattern we'd see would be completely unrelated to the pattern that's there now. Yes, it would have the same <em>spectrum</em> of fluctuations, but the individual details of where it's hot and where it's cold would bear no resemblance to our own.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/M60HST.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29177" alt="Image credit: NASA / ESA / Hubble Space Telescope (STScI/AURA)." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/M60HST-600x1486.jpg" width="600" height="1486" /></a> Image credit: NASA / ESA / Hubble Space Telescope (STScI/AURA). </div> <p>For another, the proto-galaxy we see now, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDFj-39546284">UDFj-39546284</a>, is very likely going to evolve into a giant elliptical galaxy over time, one of the largest and most massive galaxies in its neighborhood. Being inside a giant elliptical (like <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/02/04/messier-monday-the-gateway-galaxy-to-virgo-m60/">Messier 60</a>) would cause the sky to appear very different from how it appears inside of our Milky Way, and that would be a huge difference for practically all <em>non</em>-extragalactic observations.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/Wolfram-Freudling.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29179" alt="Illustration credit: ESA / Wolfram Freudling (ESO)." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/Wolfram-Freudling-600x348.jpg" width="600" height="348" /></a> Illustration credit: ESA / Wolfram Freudling (ESO). </div> <p>And if we looked in the exact <em>opposite</em> direction from where we look to see this galaxy today <em>from</em> that galaxy, we'd be looking back at our own Milky Way. What would we see? Most probably, a very faint collection of small proto-galaxies all <em>much</em> tinier than the Milky Way is today. The Milky Way most probably evolved through a series of mergers of smaller galaxies, many of which are quite ancient. We'd need significantly improved telescope technology over even the largest of what exists today to be able to detect anything at all, but if we could, we'd see hundreds of small proto-galaxies and probably thousands (or even tens-of-thousands) of globular clusters surrounding what will eventually become the Milky Way.</p> <p>And that's the <em>less</em> interesting question-to-answer.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/690958main_p1237a1.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29180" alt="Image credit: NASA; ESA; G. Illingworth, UCO/Lick Observatory and the University of California, Santa Cruz; R. Bouwens, UCO/Lick Observatory and Leiden University; and the HUDF09 Team." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/690958main_p1237a1-600x523.jpg" width="600" height="523" /></a> Image credit: NASA; ESA; G. Illingworth, UCO/Lick Observatory and the University of California, Santa Cruz; R. Bouwens, UCO/Lick Observatory and Leiden University; and the HUDF09 Team. </div> <p>Because the <em>more</em> interesting one is to answer what would the Universe look like <strong>not</strong> if we were at that location 13.8 billion years after the Big Bang, but what if we were (somehow) at that location <strong>as it appears to us from our vantage point today</strong>, or back when the Universe was a mere 370 million years old: just 2.6% of its current age. Above is the <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/xdf.html">Hubble eXtreme Deep Field</a>, our present deepest view of the Universe. When we stare out into the abyss of darkness now, away from all known galaxies, this is what shows up with a long enough exposure.</p> <p>If we were capable of bypassing the stars in the protogalaxy that is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDFj-39546284">UDFj-39546284</a> as it was when the Universe was 370,000,000 years old, know what we'd see? Something like this.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/Mod.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-29181" alt="Image credit: Wyldsoul of deviantART (original), highly modified by me." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/Mod.jpg" width="600" height="480" /></a> Image credit: Wyldsoul of deviantART (original), highly modified by me. </div> <p>Outside of the stars in our own (proto-)galaxy, there would be very little else to see. That <em>isn't</em> because the Universe isn't full of stars and proto-galaxies at this time; it totally is. It's because the Universe is still <em>full</em> of neutral, light-blocking gas-and-dust, and except for a few close, ionized regions, most of the Universe is not yet transparent to visible light. It takes many generations of stars (and close to a billion years) to completely reionize the Universe; at the time that we're seeing this current record-holder, the Universe is not nearly reionized yet. It's like running the video, below, and stopping it at the 0:26 timestamp.</p> <p></p><center> <iframe src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Xo80l5c2pGY" height="450" width="600" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0"></iframe><p></p></center>The Cosmic <em>Microwave</em> Background? No way! At that early time, the temperature of what <em>we</em> know at the CMB would be a relatively toasty 35 Kelvin, or enough to bump it all the way up into the infrared portion of the spectrum! The same wavelengths that the Herschel Space Telescope saw -- to examine star-forming gas -- would be deluged with relic, primeval light from the young Universe! <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/hobys_rosette.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29182" alt="Image credit: ESA / Herschel Space Telescope." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/hobys_rosette-600x337.jpg" width="600" height="337" /></a> Image credit: ESA / Herschel Space Telescope. </div> <p>The average density of the Universe would be about <strong>2100 times</strong> the density it is today; practically every direction we looked in would have a tremendous amount of light-blocking dust. Bok globules, like the black cloud (<a href="http://www.eso.org/public/images/eso9924a/">Barnard 68</a>) below, would be incredibly <em>more</em> effective at screening background light, and would exist in almost all directions from your point-of-view.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/eso9924a.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-29183" alt="Image credit: ESO." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/eso9924a-600x599.jpg" width="600" height="599" /></a> Image credit: ESO. </div> <p>And worst of all, everything that we <em>could</em> see would appear to be receding from us at an <strong>incredible</strong> rate. You think the Universe is expanding quickly today? <strong>Peanuts!</strong></p> <p>Our expansion rate today means that for every Megaparsec (about 3,000,000 light years) distant an object is, on average, it appears to speed away from us at some 67 km/sec.</p> <p>Back in the day? At the location of this galaxy? For every Megaparsec an object is distant from us, it recedes at about <strong>1,700 km/sec</strong>, or about 0.6% the speed of light. Fun, right, I know!</p> <p>But there's one part that's the most fun, at least, for me.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/univcmp.gif"><img class="size-full wp-image-29184" alt="Image credit: János Rohán of http://astrojan.hostei.com/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/09/univcmp.gif" width="600" height="398" /></a> Image credit: János Rohán of <a href="http://astrojan.hostei.com/">http://astrojan.hostei.com/</a>. </div> <p>Dark energy would be such a tiny component of the Universe's energy density -- something like 0.1% -- that it would be completely undetectable! Normal matter, dark matter and radiation would dominate everything we saw, and the effects of dark energy would be completely unseen, and will remain so for <strong>billions</strong> of years.</p> <p>And that's what the Universe would look like from the perspective of our current record-holder for most distant galaxy!</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/startswithabang" lang="" about="/startswithabang" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">esiegel</a></span> <span>Thu, 09/05/2013 - 11:33</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/astronomy-0" hreflang="en">Astronomy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/dark-energy" hreflang="en">dark energy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/dark-matter" hreflang="en">Dark Matter</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/galaxies" hreflang="en">Galaxies</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/gravity" hreflang="en">gravity</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/physics" hreflang="en">Physics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/stars" hreflang="en">Stars</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/bok" hreflang="en">bok</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/distance" hreflang="en">Distance</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/dust" hreflang="en">dust</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/extreme-deep-field" hreflang="en">extreme deep field</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/galaxy" hreflang="en">galaxy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/gas" hreflang="en">gas</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/globule" hreflang="en">globule</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/hubble" hreflang="en">Hubble</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ionize" hreflang="en">ionize</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/neutral" hreflang="en">neutral</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/record" hreflang="en">record</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/reionization" hreflang="en">reionization</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/udf" hreflang="en">UDF</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/galaxies" hreflang="en">Galaxies</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/stars" hreflang="en">Stars</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521617" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1378404739"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Ethan: what is the 117,000 (light)year scale you mention? Is that the "wavelength" of the baryon acoustic oscillations?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521617&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ItakMoN-PL6E__ETcDZmkb3q4bTop_Tmhzzss3IP62M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Michael Kelsey (not verified)</span> on 05 Sep 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1521617">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521618" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1378405384"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The rate of stellar birth would have been astronomical (sorry). There would have been a lot of super-giant first- and second-generation stars around for excitement as well. Extragalactic wonders may have been in short supply, but the local skies must have been very impressive.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521618&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="El4uRhtXpJ65VXftFCoxFxmazGJ74Bb5h0kWA5C1eko"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Hephaestus (not verified)</span> on 05 Sep 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1521618">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521619" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1378412762"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I read that 117, 000 years as a turbulence life sufficient to obliterate all known recognizeable features in the cloud of background radiation. Is that right?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521619&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4xr95TuPcjaDdKH3lluddSHFZdRxFY77akofb0XPSm8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Christopher (not verified)</span> on 05 Sep 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1521619">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="33" id="comment-1521620" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1378414751"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Michael @1,</p> <p>That is the physical size of the thickness of the surface of the Cosmic Microwave Background. We say that the surface of last scattering is from when the Universe was 380,000 years old, but in reality that surface covers a large volume, redshift-wise. In reality, the photons that make up the CMB surface scattered last over a wide range of times, dependent on many features, and the thickness of where they come from is the 117,000 year figure.</p> <p>The vast majority of structure, on CMB scales, is far <i>smaller</i> than 117,000 light-years, but the reason I chose that amount in time (or motion, in distance) is because those surfaces -- from what one sees here and now versus elsewhere or else<i>when</i> -- will no longer have anything to do with one another. So you wouldn't be seeing any of the same features, except for the absolute largest features in the Universe.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521620&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rYT1BJvz-Ezy4qUq08JI_nIwN-HIy9JjdtGV-bqTYBg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/startswithabang" lang="" about="/startswithabang" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">esiegel</a> on 05 Sep 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1521620">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/startswithabang"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/startswithabang" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/pastey-120x120_0.jpg?itok=sjrB9UJU" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user esiegel" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521621" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1378451041"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thanks, Ethan! I knew the CMB wasn't "instantaneous", but I don't think I realized just how long the recombination took. It makes sense, of course, that once there had been some expansion, the now-causally-disconnected regions could have substantially different cooling rates.</p> <p>Your conversion of that into a scale on which the CMB structure would be uncorrelatedly different makes sense to me. And this also finally clarifies for me why we can't identify any of the fine-grained structure in the CMB with large-scale structures we see today.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521621&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-ipEfUsxlIfmHbq_TBG_yDpKWpxZmHDJrNbAgwDBrsI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Michael Kelsey (not verified)</span> on 06 Sep 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1521621">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521622" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1378460792"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ethan: You said this: "And if we looked in the exact opposite direction from where we look to see this galaxy today from that galaxy, we’d be looking back at our own Milky Way".</p> <p>What if we looked the opposite way to that? What would we see? And if we kept looking, but were in that galaxy as it is now, what would we see?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521622&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="yNdtXh9IXbnS_zPv1AtEWRFThlw3AUu8TRYxMJ7xaWE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John Duffield (not verified)</span> on 06 Sep 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1521622">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521623" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1378690170"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There would have come a time at which dark energy became detectable just above the level of statistical noise. Oh to be a proverbial fly on the wall of some far-away astronomy conference when this subject first came up!</p> <p>Which raises the question: are there any features of the universe as we observe it today, that appear to be difficult to distinguish from noise, but could become analogous to "dark energy" at some point in the distant future: increasing to the point where they have to be accounted for in theory?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521623&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="cPVfKpZJbtNj8FWCuUvxAZQex9HR4OnDCOUKjOX13_Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">G (not verified)</span> on 08 Sep 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1521623">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521624" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1378711625"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I was wondering the same question as John. If we took a hubble deep field pointing away from the Milky Way, would we see empty cosmos? Or would it be deepfields/turtles, all the way down?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521624&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Lug34gcmFnHpKtkOuFYWEjJ5bx3t1CJ_mHSFj3SX4C8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Alan Doak (not verified)</span> on 09 Sep 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1521624">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521625" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1378862613"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Maybe you'd see some other galaxy, and then when you looked to the right and down a bit you'd see a galaxy just like it. Something like this, only a bit tidier and more obvious: </p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hubble_ultra_deep_field_high_rez_edit1.jpg">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hubble_ultra_deep_field_high_rez_edit…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521625&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="H5YbMmP0HKV4d8SlCGK7YhX_spjLLO9x4gCzY1i7-yE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John Duffield (not verified)</span> on 10 Sep 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1521625">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1521626" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1459389292"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Is it possible to see or predict (computer simulations) how the universe look like in the present days? (earth time)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1521626&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="R3gUzLMDQiKGT61OGqQHcudSLl920teVzv6LqbWdPmc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sergio C (not verified)</span> on 30 Mar 2016 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1521626">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/startswithabang/2013/09/05/what-does-the-universe-look-like-as-seen-from-its-most-distant-galaxy%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:33:45 +0000 esiegel 35691 at https://www.scienceblogs.com What Everyone Should Know about the Universe on the eve of Planck https://www.scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/03/20/what-everyone-should-know-about-the-universe-on-the-eve-of-planck <span>What Everyone Should Know about the Universe on the eve of Planck</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>"Scientific discovery and scientific knowledge have been achieved only by those who have gone in pursuit of it without any practical purpose whatsoever in view." -<em>Max Planck</em></p></blockquote> <p>Tomorrow morning, at 8 AM my time, the press conference that cosmologists have spent the past decade waiting for will finally happen, and the Planck satellite -- the most powerful satellite ever to measure the leftover radiation from the Big Bang -- will finally unveil its results about the origin and composition of the Universe.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/PLANCK_FSM_03_Black.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-27472" alt="Image credit: ESA / LFI and HFI Consortia." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/PLANCK_FSM_03_Black-600x323.jpg" width="600" height="323" /></a> Image credit: ESA / LFI and HFI Consortia. </div> <p>They've figured out how to subtract the galactic foreground in all of the seven wavelength-bands where Planck operates to unprecedented sensitivity, and the science is ready to be released! Let's use this opportunity to take a look back on what we know right now, where-and-what the uncertainties are, and what Planck can (or, at the very least, <em>might</em>) teach us about the Universe!</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/Timeline_portrait.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-27474" alt="Image credit: Rhys Taylor, Cardiff University." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/Timeline_portrait-600x424.jpg" width="600" height="424" /></a> Image credit: Rhys Taylor, Cardiff University. </div> <p><strong>1.) The Big Bang is safe.</strong></p> <p>The Big Bang is the idea that the Universe was once in a hot, dense, ionized state and expanded to become our star-and-galaxy-rich cosmos that we live in today. There are three separate cornerstones that lead to this picture: the observed Hubble expansion of the galaxies, whose recession rates increase with increasing distance from us, the observed primordial abundances of the light elements, which are predicted by Big Bang Nucleosynthesis to give us a Universe with about 75-76% hydrogen and 24-25% helium (by mass), and the leftover, nearly uniform blackbody (CMB) radiation at just a few degrees above absolute zero, coming from all directions in space, which marks the leftover glow from the Big Bang itself.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/t16_CMB_redshift.gif"><img class="size-medium wp-image-27475" alt="Image credit: Whittle Rodman, University of Virginia." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/t16_CMB_redshift-600x407.gif" width="600" height="407" /></a> Image credit: Whittle Rodman, University of Virginia. </div> <p>In the context of General Relativity, our tried-and-true description of gravity in this Universe, only an expanding, cooling Universe in the context of the Big Bang leads to these three predictions simultaneously, and nothing the Planck satellite observes will change that.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/fixit.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-27477" alt="Image credit: WMAP Science Team / NASA." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/fixit-600x196.jpg" width="600" height="196" /></a> Image credit: WMAP Science Team / NASA. </div> <p><b>2.) The Universe is mostly dark energy, followed by dark matter, with normal (baryonic) matter making up just a small fraction.</b></p> <p>There are three sets of large-scale observations that simultaneously lead to this picture, again in the context of General Relativity.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/figure19.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-27476" alt="Image credit: J. Colberg and the VIRGO Consortium." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/figure19-600x406.jpg" width="600" height="406" /></a> Image credit: J. Colberg and the VIRGO Consortium. </div> <p>The observed patterns of large-scale galaxy clustering, combined with the data from ultra-distant distance indicators (like supernovae), and the already known patterns of fluctuations in the microwave background on both large (from WMAP) and small (from the South Pole Telescope and others) scales, all indicate a Universe that's made up of about 71-74% dark energy, 20-24% not-too-hot dark matter, with the remaining 4.6% made up of normal, standard model particles. These standard model particles include everything we've ever observed directly, including protons, neutrons and electrons, photons and neutrinos, and all the exotic, unstable matter we've ever created.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/kowalski-allconstraints.gif"><img class="size-medium wp-image-27478" alt="Image credit: Kowalski et al., 2008." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/kowalski-allconstraints-600x445.gif" width="600" height="445" /></a> Image credit: Kowalski et al., 2008. </div> <p>So none of those things will change substantially, although the dark energy/dark matter numbers may shift around a small bit in that range. Although Planck will measure the large scales more accurately and in more wavelengths than WMAP before it, that science has already been done, and Planck will only refine it, <em>not</em> overthrow it. The <em>way </em>it will refine it is extraordinary; while WMAP was limited by the sensitivity of the instruments on it, that's not the case for Planck, <a href="http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Planck_overview">according to the ESA</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>Planck will provide even more precise measurements with an accuracy set by fundamental astrophysical limits... In other words, it will be impossible to ever take better images of this radiation than those obtained from Planck.</p></blockquote> <p>But there are some things that Planck <em>can</em> shed some light on, which have the potential to be extremely exciting!</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/Universe_fate1.jpeg"><img class="size-full wp-image-27479" alt="Image credit: LSST / AURA." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/Universe_fate1.jpeg" width="600" height="340" /></a> Image credit: LSST / AURA. </div> <p><strong>3.) The age, size and expansion rate of the Universe!</strong></p> <p>Yes, it's true that we often quote that the age of the Universe is 13.7 billion years old, the diameter of the observable Universe is 93 billion light-years across, and the expansion rate -- or the rate that all galaxies (on average) recede away from one another -- is about 71 kilometers/second/Megaparsec. But these numbers are all related to one another, with the age-and-size numbers also dependent on the percentages of dark matter and dark energy.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/Hzsimul.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-27480" alt="Image credit: Moresco, Michele et al. JCAP 1207 (2012) 053." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/Hzsimul-600x438.png" width="600" height="438" /></a> Image credit: Moresco, Michele et al. JCAP 1207 (2012) 053. </div> <p>But the expansion rate has a little bit of uncertainty attached to it. It probably couldn't be as low as 60 or as high as 80, but no one would be <em>shocked</em> if it turned out to be 68 km/s/Mpc, or maybe as high as 74 km/s/Mpc. This could mean a Universe as old as maybe 14.2 billion years, or as young as 13.3 billion years, depending on how the dark matter and dark energy parameters adjusted. Half-a-billion years may not be a big deal to you, but when you consider that we've already got stars that push the 13-and-change billion year limit, it's pretty important to astrophysicists that the Universe is at least as old as all the stars in it!</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/neutrinoclassification.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-27481" alt="Image credit: Prof. Matt Strassler, 2011." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/neutrinoclassification-600x429.png" width="600" height="429" /></a> Image credit: Prof. Matt Strassler, 2011. </div> <p><strong>4.) There are three types of neutrino in the Universe.</strong></p> <p>We're pretty sure of this one... aren't we? I mean, we've got these <em>huge</em> particle colliders, we've been running them for decades, and we've seen how hordes of them decay. The decay of the Z-boson, for instance, tells us that there are 3.003 ± 0.006 neutrinos species whose mass is less than 4.5 × 10<sup>10</sup> eV. Considering that the heaviest a neutrino is allowed to be is around 0.08 eV, it makes sense to conclude that there are three.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/p23.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-27482" alt="Image credit: Carlo Giunti, via Luca Merlo of http://neutel11.wordpress.com/." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/p23-600x274.jpg" width="600" height="274" /></a> Image credit: Carlo Giunti, via Luca Merlo of <a href="http://neutel11.wordpress.com/">http://neutel11.wordpress.com/</a>. </div> <p><em>But</em> the cosmic microwave background should also measure the number of neutrino species in an independent way, and would <em>also</em> be sensitive to a bizarre, hypothetical type of neutrino that particle physics wouldn't find conventionally: the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterile_neutrino">sterile neutrino</a>! WMAP, with lousy sensitivity, has claimed to have found about 3.6 ± 0.5 neutrino species, and so while not conclusive, it's <em>suggestive</em> that there could be a new particle (or maybe even 2?) out there! Planck should improve on the WMAP constraints, and this could be interesting.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/cosmic-inflation-don-dixon.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-27483" alt="Image credit: &quot;Cosmic Inflation&quot; by Don Dixon." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/cosmic-inflation-don-dixon-600x442.jpeg" width="600" height="442" /></a> Image credit: "Cosmic Inflation" by Don Dixon. </div> <p><strong>5.) How did the Big Bang get started?</strong></p> <p>According to both the spectrum of density fluctuations imprinted in the CMB and the large-scale-structure of the Universe, and also the best theoretical solution to many open questions in cosmology, the answer to that is cosmological inflation, or a period where spacetime was expanding <em>exponentially</em> fast. At some point, inflation ended, setting up the Big Bang and creating all the matter and energy known to permeate our observable Universe.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/Fig14_final.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-27484" alt="Image credit: Ned Wright (and possibly Will Kinney, too), via http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/. (Notes by me.)" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/Fig14_final.jpg" width="600" height="541" /></a> Image credit: Ned Wright (+ possibly Will Kinney), via <a href="http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/">http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/</a>. (Notes by me.) </div> <p>Of course, we don't quite understand <em>how</em> all of this happened. As in, there are many models of inflation that could have successfully done this, and we have no way to discriminate between many of them. But the two main classes of models -- models of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)#Slow-roll_inflation">new inflation</a> and models of <a href="http://www.lifesci.sussex.ac.uk/home/John_Gribbin/cosmo.htm">chaotic inflation</a> -- have a major difference between them: chaotic models should produce large amounts of long-wavelength gravitational waves, while new inflation should produce almost none. In optimistic models of chaotic inflation, this would cause a polarization of some of the light from the CMB, something that Planck could -- in principle -- pick up. So Planck has the dual potential to either detect primordial gravitational waves and verify not only inflation but a particular model of it, <em>or</em> to disfavor the chaotic inflation scenario in favor of new inflation. (Full disclosure: new inflation has long been my preferred model.)</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/reion.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-27485" alt="Image credit: Avi Loeb, 2006." src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/03/reion-600x251.jpg" width="600" height="251" /></a> Image credit: Avi Loeb, 2006. </div> <p>There are other, smaller refinements that could happen, such as a better pinning-down of the epoch of reionization or a more precise measurement of a few cosmological parameters, but these are the five big ones -- confirmation of the first two and potential answers to the last three -- that I'll be waiting on. If you want to watch the NASA announcement live online, it's at <a href="http://www.ustream.tv/nasajpl2">8 AM pacific time on March 21st here</a>, and you can check out the <a href="http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Planck">ESA's page here</a> or call in and <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/news/media/newsaudio/index.html">listen to the teleconference</a>. WMAP redefined the precision to which we understood the Universe when its first data release happened a decade ago, and now Planck has the potential to take us even further in our understanding of the greatest quest of all: the dream of understanding the entire Universe. I can't wait to see what they found!</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/startswithabang" lang="" about="/startswithabang" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">esiegel</a></span> <span>Wed, 03/20/2013 - 14:25</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/astronomy-0" hreflang="en">Astronomy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/big-bang" hreflang="en">Big Bang</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/dark-energy" hreflang="en">dark energy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/dark-matter" hreflang="en">Dark Matter</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/health" hreflang="en">health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/physics" hreflang="en">Physics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/astrophysics" hreflang="en">astrophysics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cmb" hreflang="en">CMB</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cosmic-microwave-background" hreflang="en">cosmic microwave background</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cosmology" hreflang="en">Cosmology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/inflation" hreflang="en">inflation</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/planck" hreflang="en">Planck</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/polarization" hreflang="en">polarization</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/reionization" hreflang="en">reionization</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/theory-0" hreflang="en">Theory</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/wmap" hreflang="en">WMAP</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518255" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363808210"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"Foreground subtraction." In my business, the hardest part of any analysis is background subtraction, where the goal is to count a nice chunky peak sitting on top of some more or less uniform (or at least smoothly and slowly varying) baseline.</p> <p>I can't imagine how to subtract away all of the background "signal" which is sitting on top of the subtle density variations in the CMB, and successfully extract all of those details. If you've already done a posting on this issue, my apologies; if not, it would be very interesting.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518255&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="kjJWGdBiGj7xxm83MvaYAzlRY9EEEZ9OtKJd2ec7mnc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Michael Kelsey (not verified)</span> on 20 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518255">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518256" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363809765"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>What's the point in finding out what happened before the big bang ? Is humanity being unrealistic about the reach of its knowledge ? Are trying to "run before learning to walk ?"</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518256&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CX9TsZPouJ2uWdEG8H8zho-Nz7DakiBoruLpeWevIQg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">EBRecordings (not verified)</span> on 20 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518256">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518257" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363810313"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Wow, fascinating article, I somewhat understand some of this (studied Resnick and Halliday years ago). Makes all what most of us earthers argue about (i.e. politics) seem so small in comparison what is happening around us.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518257&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-v0rcxzS2rjzRl3n76lhGYxdNpNChxH_tZV6b3luksQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Michael Wright (not verified)</span> on 20 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518257">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518258" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363811208"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hey EBRecordings,<br /> I would argue that the study of the nature of reality is probably the most noble of pursuits. Those same pursuits, over the last 120 years, have vaulted our technology from steam engines to electric engines and from telegraphs to cell phones. Why ANYONE would question the pursuit of knowledge is as frightening as it is insulting.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518258&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="s6eCCfSxHxN6ORGCIwmELH7mXcwwEXxS-oYdBgggKiM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Vince (not verified)</span> on 20 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518258">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518259" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363819590"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Yeah, ya know, that's preety much how I see it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518259&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ug3i0zBwAf-5cdbgKm5jDyCqxl3P_CahfGRKS9JeqnA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rocket Ray (not verified)</span> on 20 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518259">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518260" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363823495"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi, a great Planck primer, thanks. Only one request: the figures you include are fascinating, &amp; it would be brilliant to include a (brief) description of what they're showing in the captions.<br /> Thanks for blogging, I often read your articles but haven't commented before.<br /> Becky</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518260&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ITb-Qjyrldz2NMI3Y92K8mKjHPhbjW2ch23-X-X13D0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Becky Wragg Sykes (@LeMoustier)">Becky Wragg Sy… (not verified)</span> on 20 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518260">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518261" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363826657"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"8pm my time"....slow clap. Honestly? We don't know where you live, couldn't you say EST, PST...or something? People live all around the world you know.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518261&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="WEhmrJLth0Lh6Mft_oqdHtxY7oY8w4iX-Yxbdmy1cZw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mark (not verified)</span> on 20 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518261">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518262" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363826992"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Vince#5: Agreed. One need only read the Planck quote in the caption to see the truth in your reasoning. I have always felt that knowledge for its own sake is, not only enough, but paramount and absolutely necessary to the advancement of all mankind. I am always wary, and often frightened, of individuals or groups who ask "why?" when it comes to gaining knowledge. "Why should I care?, Why does it matter?" What's sad is that you cannot win an argument with someone who is ignorant, especially one who chooses that ignorance, with all the facts laid before them. You will never convince them. It is left to the few, the scientists, the entrepreneurs, to DRAG Humanity forward, while the masses benefit from the myriad contributions of science and technology. It is, by and large, a thankless endeavor. The debates go on and on, about how "we" should be spending "our" money and resources. Why build a telescope when we can build more shopping malls? You try to say things like, "where would we be without minds such as Newton and Edison and Curie?" You get a blank stare, or more nonsensical rhetoric. I've since given up. I will speak to children, and other enlightened adults only on such "weird" topics as astronomy and cosmology.<br /> Somewhere, there is an article about yoga-pants being recalled with over 1000 comments. And this article, this type of marvelous, infinitely fascinating topic, has but 6.<br /> I can't think of any more excuses. Nearly half of the planet have access to at least rudimentary scientific facts, and yet only a very, very small percentage of people have any idea about the universe around them, nor do they seem to care. Who can blame the scientists for their eccentricity introvert behavior? Look around you. We have mastered the use of technology (see iPhone users) yet fail to understand the centuries of scientific discovery leading up to the creation the very technology we take for granted. I hate to say it, but it appears to be a losing battle. More and more care less and less about how it all works. You see it every day, and it pains my heart to no end.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518262&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0k-M78YSNT_JZxyrgfR4H7OKBxDCOurXijRlaQQDjPM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dan (not verified)</span> on 20 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518262">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518263" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363832784"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Vince, I couldn't agree more; surely the one thing above all others separating us from other animals is the urge to understand the nature of things. We want to know what is going on, not just for its utility, but for its own sake. As Sheldon Glashow said: we are curious creatures.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518263&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZBpZFBX1l0SodD4WE5-r4oNfLCCGng7EQgFdNdmfDpk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ken (not verified)</span> on 20 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518263">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518264" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363834783"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>How do we know the background radiation detected is not from previous lSupernovas in this part of the Milky Way?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518264&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="GWO2EgCzkrtYUdeyYnEIy1U-RwlqfxnevJo2YlwZ3yU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Drew (not verified)</span> on 20 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518264">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518265" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363837393"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi Ethan:<br /> "...there are 3.003 ± 0.006 neutrinos species whose mass is less than 4.5 × 10^10 eV."</p> <p>This exponent seems much too large to me...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518265&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2-ZTxeZ6OpGuNykd5KhjbJUCfd07w5VuAoCBYilqv9k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">SCHWAR_A (not verified)</span> on 20 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518265">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518266" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363841806"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"This exponent seems much too large to me…"</p> <p>You are obviously no astrophysicist.</p> <p>Indeed, an ERROR BAR of that magnitude isn't, in astrophysics, necessarily a bar to the conclusion being used.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518266&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ua8Ar_k2a_I84SGc4u3ceEaMIDzqkgWz8pohVOJVIoY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518266">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518267" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363845438"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@SCHWAR_A: That mass would be 45 GeV. What Ethan is saying is that if there were a fourth decay channel for the Z boson that involved neutrinos of less than that mass, our particle accelerators should have seen it. We can't rule out a heavier neutrino (not that there is any compelling argument for a fourth neutrino flavor at least 11 orders of magnitude more massive than the three known). We also can't rule out a neutrino that does not participate in Z boson decay (I'm not sure how that works, either, but IANA particle physicist). The WMAP results suggest that at least one of these two types of neutrinos may exist.</p> <p>The Planck results apparently leaked out. I have already seen a story from AP that they have measured the age of the Universe at 13.81 billion years. It's not quite 0700 PDT (which, to answer an earlier question, is Ethan's time zone) as I write this.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518267&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7KhFVfjQXV82QjrqHY0cmVIOdUOAMGzZj8gV9COC3Bg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518267">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518268" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363854453"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Mark</p> <p>Didn't make it to the end of the article before deciding to complain in the comments section, I see.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518268&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Xreq6CG6BW6TfkDbdNiGL_5s2ebj3RJpJmpHxmx0wsM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">CB (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518268">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518269" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363854508"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The number on the neutrino mass should be about 2 MeV from the Z decay kinematics. What you wrote was half the Z mass, but if the neutrino was very heavy, we could see it in the photon spectrum. (That experiment looks at e+ e- -&gt; Z gamma).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518269&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HjBNt4ALS3iLilM8AB3ttl9N1liMWvo2N24MXFvXgCM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Bob McElrath (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518269">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518270" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363855908"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Is there a link to the announcement mentioned to have taken place this morning?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518270&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fqt3WKsIUJr7uUxCxFJMbRlMGzN896Ghk4gkn8-9bMw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julie Reed (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518270">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518271" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363856579"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Results are out!</p> <p>- Universe is 13.8 billion years old.</p> <p>- DM is 26.8% and DE is 68.3% of the universe, more and less respectively. Normal matter slightly increased at 4.9%.</p> <p>- Most exciting: Significant asymmetry in temperature across the sky, and a large particularly cold patch. Theorists, start your engines!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518271&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_uRSDtwqJnP3xQ2dHL25remM0_cZaAU0EF3AVObHuuQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">CB (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518271">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518272" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363856663"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>*13.82 billion years old</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518272&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="VJyRblsmunn4Y8UDn2q4qTvymnTuIUxWlcBppQeaLiA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">CB (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518272">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518273" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363857699"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>If we didn't encourage exploration at all levels and disciplines, we be stuck in the dull world of thinking the earth is flat and the solar system revolves around the earth. Great job to the satellite builders and scientists, and of course to Max as well.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518273&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CIX5qoi78PjGbSAoZNE-dRIFfWmfw9eTy6qfyPecGmE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jschmidt (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518273">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518274" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363857953"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>CB -universal cooling? or universal change? Which is it? Stake out your claim now before Gore gets to it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518274&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="O7ylJ6FCI3bQr4wuIJz6abppM9mwwYGkV06GQMK8VfY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jschmidt (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518274">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518275" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363858426"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"Stake out your claim now before Gore gets to it."</p> <p>Yeah, the continual whine of the under-achiever in the face of someone who has gotten somewhere and NOT had to prostitute their principles.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518275&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xv6dfWdsTZM_R7WJFCZOsvwczShwOwxNYCpwnl_HbjA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518275">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518276" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363860908"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Also, Hubble Constant is 67.3 km/s/MPc</p> <p>I wish the press statements I was reading (from the ESA website, and Nature) included error bars. :(</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518276&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NFjSB5F5VpoT9jnR_DAsmCKKK_o2X7gPXYWliD4sgHQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">CB (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518276">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518277" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363864140"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Wow- good comment on Gore- he;s been wrong a lot.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518277&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SsbzV571ZNh3_9xDK1raEpI2VbUBX1q4ghKJG0NGXLQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jschmidt (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518277">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518278" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363864954"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ah, you are not only ill-bred, you're an idiot too.</p> <p>If you want to talk bullshit, do so elsewhere.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518278&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="yIKv4p8tqn0Tel61XeKzgwk57FHqALetS86CAhx1eUE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518278">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518279" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363865484"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Wow- typical insulting liberal. You don't pick on sarcasm to well do you. I didn't know you were the moderator of opinions. Why are liberals always angry when someone has a different opinion? Not very progressive of you.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518279&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="DAv6oQxqMVUlXTPD9Ub0cSPByWNKOd8oNKsI_t1TReE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jschmidt (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518279">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518280" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363867041"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Typical rightwingnut primadonna.</p> <p>You insult someone then when someone insults you, you go all prissy and butthurt.</p> <p>Get over yourself, pal.</p> <p>You're a waste of carbon and you're merely pissed off that Gore managed to do something with his life and still has his integrity, whereas you've whored yourself out for decades and got nowhere.</p> <p>And so you slag off others. But they'd better not be mean and slag you off, because that's what liberals do.</p> <p>Oh, I guess that must mean you, right?</p> <p>Now, this is a science site, not a rightwingnut gathering place, so piss off back to your sister's house and play that banjo.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518280&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="f-pnyc_JITgewjsEBBtchH-m4GVIOdO7Lt5k3VxbUSw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518280">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518281" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363867126"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>" Not very progressive of you."</p> <p>Hang on, you earlier said:</p> <p>" typical insulting liberal"</p> <p>It appears not even YOU believe the bullshit that you spout.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518281&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="erjn9Y2ioHIamaPTiG92sjHMqB5jtvuhhi3cs3e5x1I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518281">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518282" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363867188"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"Why are liberals always angry when someone has a different opinion? "</p> <p>Yet YOU got angry when I had a different opinion about you than you hold yourself.</p> <p>I guess rightwingnuts are always unable to follow a thought through more than two words.</p> <p>Now, if you want to go piss off to your rightwingnut troll feasting ground, put a link and I'll follow you there, but respect the property of Ethan and stop posting rubbish on his site.</p> <p>Rightwingers like you never respect other people's private property, though, do you.</p> <p>Not very capitalist of you.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518282&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="447FtZHiPFXSSxLqO-W4cHzUwhJjl1t7K3hzMB2VNAo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518282">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518283" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363868280"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I have always wondered if virtual particles from Zero point energy theory could be part or most of the Dark Matter. I am sure it has been investigated, but I have never seen the results. I assume the current testing will illuminate the dark matter question and I will be watching.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518283&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CW26-mxbs0PHvK-QTSaAelZKERWjU25WhgwsuK8FgYk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">HenryC (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518283">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518284" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363870446"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>They can't, Henry: they (by dfinition) don't exist long enough for anything else to find out.</p> <p>Well, not entirely true: there's a version of the maths but that would lead to (IIRC) a difference between measured value and calculated from that their of a factor of 10^100.</p> <p>Even for astrophysicists, that's a bit high...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518284&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2ESU5pHhqk0aB25wIUsKA_KspL_HS20mrvXs5Lnm_1Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518284">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518285" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363871354"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Never been to this site before. Enjoyed the article and enjoyed the comments . . . until I got to the intellectual discourse between the rightwingnuts and leftyloonies. Get a life, you guys!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518285&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QTDzOyiveeeU6tEelVGGBdBBiNfLGLGzIzQXZKjwWCo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">AlanF (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518285">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518286" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363874212"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hey, if I'd turned up here and said:</p> <p>You know that George Bush Jr fella? He's a fooking idiot, inne?</p> <p>Then maybe you'd have a point.</p> <p>As it is, I think an xkcd is appropriate:</p> <p><a href="http://xkcd.com/774/">http://xkcd.com/774/</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518286&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dDfyMEEzbgYRW9FD9YOJtHu88aimWyJDzlv3iuzpmPQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518286">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518287" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363885077"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Want to get to reach people better? Re do all this as a video.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518287&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="YB4Q_X_qlV81aRr8VUC6GGnRTI5aax8-DYx7Vd9DM0I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dan (not verified)</span> on 21 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518287">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518288" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363943576"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This may seem like a "elementary" question ... but, doesn't it look like the expansion of the "universe" is the diametric-opposite of a black hole? ... that the "Big Bang" is the expression or effusion of a "Black Hole" that has ripped through a weak point in the membrane of a"space/time/energy" barrier?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518288&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_D5cJCt4Bs6C1S41sEMnasUtqLY4wzc_ufXwKY125Xc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Nubbygee (not verified)</span> on 22 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518288">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518289" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363963222"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It's good to know that ''The Big Bang is safe'' but I am curious about the ''the observed Hubble expansion of the galaxies''. Can you tell me which actual observation(s) or measurement(s) demonstrates that the distance between all galaxies increases over time to verify that the universe is expanding?<br /> And I understood that the CMB contains no emission or absorption lines, so how is its redshift calculated ?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518289&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AmEAA5EEkk_onGEQtG9PdWZjshrNbBLHuTF4CUXy9X0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mark Robson (not verified)</span> on 22 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518289">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518290" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363963908"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Come back in 100 million years time and we'll have the data.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518290&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nOHPUkh4qKr0LFwjqzaIS6-Yfm9F9-Jj9Hueo8MuTDI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 22 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518290">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1518291" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1363963960"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Or should that be<br /> "Seven and a half ..."<br /> "What? Not till next week?"<br /> "Million. Million years. I told you it would be a long time".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1518291&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="V5cu059sdm0Po8NRlz9wp3Da9amy57IE22vDVBKGGpc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 22 Mar 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10304/feed#comment-1518291">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/startswithabang/2013/03/20/what-everyone-should-know-about-the-universe-on-the-eve-of-planck%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:25:19 +0000 esiegel 35589 at https://www.scienceblogs.com