Stellar Classification https://www.scienceblogs.com/ en Messier Monday: Messier's Oldest Open Cluster, M67 https://www.scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/01/14/messier-monday-messiers-oldest-open-cluster-m67 <span>Messier Monday: Messier&#039;s Oldest Open Cluster, M67</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>"The ruins were just a reminder that what had been was no longer. That everything we are will be gone someday. That I will be forgotten." -Megan Miranda</p></blockquote> <p>Some four-and-a-half billion years ago, a ultra-massive cloud of cold gas and dust collapsed, giving rise to thousands of stars of all different types, from hot, massive, quick-burning blue stars down to low-mass, cool red dwarfs. And within a few hundred million years, that open star cluster dissociated, flinging the individual stars that once made it up throughout the galaxy. The lone remnant of that cluster known to us lights up our daytime sky: our Sun.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/mull-sunrise-2-900x600-srgb.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26837" title="mull-sunrise-2-900x600-srgb" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/mull-sunrise-2-900x600-srgb-600x400.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="400" /></a> <p>Image credit: Shaun Killen Photography, from the Isle of Mull.</p> </div> <p>There are over a thousand known open star clusters in the Milky Way, with <a href="http://messier.seds.org/open.html">33 of the brightest and closest</a> making their way into the Messier catalogue. But while the vast majority of open star clusters don't even make it to an age of even<em> one</em> billion years before gravity takes its ultimate toll and flings the stars off into interstellar space, there's one star cluster in the Messier Catalogue that's old enough that the Sun would be right at home.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/TenhoTuomi.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26838" title="TenhoTuomi" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/TenhoTuomi-600x503.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="503" /></a> <p>Image credit: Tenho Tuomi of <a href="http://www.lex.sk.ca/astro/">http://www.lex.sk.ca/astro/</a>.</p> </div> <p>Visible all night long during the winter, the open cluster <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messier_67">Messier 67</a> is the oldest open star cluster in the Messier Catalogue, and here's how you can find it tonight.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/M67_far.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26839" title="M67_far" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/M67_far-600x375.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="375" /></a> <p>Image credit: Me, using the free software Stellarium, <a href="http://stellarium.org/">http://stellarium.org/</a>.</p> </div> <p>As you move to the east of Orion and Sirius, you can find the two very bright stars <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procyon">Procyon</a> and, a little farther, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulus">Regulus</a>, the 7th and 20th brightest star systems in the entire night sky. About midway between the two, just a tiny bit north of the imaginary line connecting them (and just a little south of <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/12/24/messier-monday-the-beehive-cluster-praesepe-m44/">Praesepe, M44, our Messier Monday</a> from just a few weeks ago) is the faint open cluster <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messier_67">M67</a>, which you can find in a pair of binoculars by finding <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Cancri">Acubens</a>, the brightest star in the constellation of Cancer.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/M67_near_acubens.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26840" title="M67_near_acubens" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/M67_near_acubens-600x375.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="375" /></a> <p>Image credit: Me, using the free software Stellarium, <a href="http://stellarium.org/">http://stellarium.org/</a>.</p> </div> <p>Messier 67 appears faint and nondescript, and there are no bright, blue stars in it, which is your first clue that it's very old! Remember, when star clusters are first born, they form the following seven different classes of stars, in roughly equal mass-fractions.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/Morgan-Keenan_spectral_classification.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26841" title="Morgan-Keenan_spectral_classification" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/Morgan-Keenan_spectral_classification-600x217.png" alt="" width="600" height="217" /></a> <p>Image credit: Wikipedia user Kieff.</p> </div> <p>However, the biggest, bluest, brightest stars burn up their fuel the fastest, and so have the shortest lifetime. The <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/10/29/messier-monday-the-pleiades-m45/">Pleiades</a>, for example, at about 80 million years old, has no more O-stars, but plenty of B-stars. <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/12/24/messier-monday-the-beehive-cluster-praesepe-m44/">Praesepe</a>, mentioned earlier, at about 600 million years of age, has no O-or-B-stars, but plenty of A-stars.</p> <p>But Messier 67 is <em>so old</em> that it doesn't even have any A-stars left, and the "bluest" star type present is of class F!</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/M67_110_LRGB_800_0112.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26842" title="M67_110_LRGB_800_0112" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/M67_110_LRGB_800_0112-600x445.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="445" /></a> <p>Image credit: Rich Schuppert astrophotography, from Saratoga Skies.</p> </div> <p>At only 2,600 light-years distant, it's a relatively close open cluster, and there are over 500 stars in it, with more than 100 of those being Sun-like (or G-type) stars. There are also -- as you can better tell in the image below -- quite a few blue stars in this cluster, mostly concentrated at its core.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/M67-LRGB-1200px.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26844" title="M67-LRGB-1200px" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/M67-LRGB-1200px-600x600.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="600" /></a> <p>Image credit: Velimir Popov of ELATE Observatory.</p> </div> <p>But these are not original, main-sequence stars; these are <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/11/26/messier-monday-a-straggling-globular-cluster-m30/">blue stragglers</a>, or stars that have formed from the merger of lower-mass stars at the core of this cluster.</p> <p>You see, this cluster wasn't always so "light," with a total mass of around 1,000-to-1,400 solar masses, depending on whom you ask. But as clusters age, the heavier mass stars move towards the center and the lighter-mass stars either migrate towards the outskirts or get kicked out, in a process known as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_segregation">mass segregation</a>, which <a href="http://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2003/26/aah4157.pdf">M67 has clearly undergone</a>.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/messier-67.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26845" title="messier-67" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/messier-67-600x600.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="600" /></a> <p>Image credit: Palomar Observatory / STScI / WikiSky.</p> </div> <p>As a result, the stars that remain after some 4-billion-years (the latest estimate of the age of M67, although modern estimates range from 3.2-to-5 billion years) are much more tightly bound, gravitationally speaking, than younger star clusters are.</p> <p>But the simple way to "date" the age of a cluster is to plot its stars on a color-vs.-magnitude diagram, and the curve that results allows you to figure out the age of the cluster from the stars that make it up!</p> <div style="width: 471px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/zams.gif"><img class="size-full wp-image-26846" title="zams" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/zams.gif" alt="" width="461" height="363" /></a> <p>Image credit: Mike Guidry, University of Tennessee.</p> </div> <p>Messier 67, because it "turned off" of the main sequence at the point illustrated above, can be reliably dated to be "around" 4 billion years old, making it the oldest open cluster in the Messier catalogue. (The <em>oldest</em> open cluster thus far discovered is <a href="http://mstecker.com/pages/astberkeley17.htm">Berkeley 17</a>, at a whopping 10-to-13 billion years old!)</p> <p>Because of the way its stars are now concentrated together, Messier 67 is expected to remain together for perhaps another 5 billion years before dissociating, provided it doesn't experience a catastrophic gravitational interaction with an object capable of tearing it apart!</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/M67_Greg_Noel.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26847" title="M67_Greg_Noel" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/M67_Greg_Noel-600x396.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="396" /></a> <p>Image credit: Processing - Noel Carboni, Imaging - Greg Parker.</p> </div> <p>At only 12 light-years across, M67 is one of the more compact open clusters known, and the stars in it are not only the same rough <em>age</em> as our Sun, they also have a nearly identical <em>elemental composition</em> to our Sun, which means that these 500 known stars may have worlds and planetary systems very much like our own!</p> <p>The best-resolution image we have of the core of this cluster comes from the <a href="http://www.sdss.org/">Sloan Digital Sky Survey</a>, which really shows off not only the colors of the stars inside, but also the very dim red M-dwarfs beyond the reach of other telescopes!</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/m67_ssds.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26848" title="m67_ssds" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/m67_ssds-600x479.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="479" /></a> <p>Image credit: Sloan Digital Sky Survey.</p> </div> <p>As always, you can click to enlarge the above image, but to best show-off the resolution, I've taken just a narrow strip from the middle of it, to showcase exactly what we can see inside.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/SDSS_strip.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26849" title="SDSS_strip" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/SDSS_strip-600x1890.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="1890" /></a> <p>Image credit: Sloan Digital Sky Survey.</p> </div> <p>And finally -- I'm not entirely sure -- but either there's a funny, ring-shaped artifact around one of the bright, red-giant stars at the lower-right of the SDSS image, or we're seeing the early stages of gas being blown off into a planetary nebula!</p> <p>After all, the cluster is the right age for this to be happening, and is that what we're seeing here? Or is it a problem of overexposing a relatively bright, red giant star with the camera/CCD in the telescope itself? I'm not sure: you be the judge!</p> <div style="width: 576px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/PNeb.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-26850" title="PNeb" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2013/01/PNeb.jpg" alt="" width="566" height="622" /></a> <p>Image credit: Sloan Digital Sky Survey.</p> </div> <p>Regardless, I hope you enjoyed a look inside one of the most unremarkable-looking objects in the Messier Catalogue, that just happens to have one of the most remarkable stories behind it!</p> <p>So far, including <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/01/14/messier-monday-messiers-oldest-open-cluster-m67/">today's entry</a>, we've taken a look at the following Messier objects:</p> <ul> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/10/22/messier-monday-the-crab-nebula-m1/">M1, The Crab Nebula</a>: October 22, 2012</li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/11/05/messier-monday-the-lagoon-nebula-m8/">M8, The Lagoon Nebula</a>: November 5, 2012</li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/12/31/messier-monday-the-great-globular-cluster-in-hercules-m13/">M13, The Great Globular Cluster in Hercules</a>: December 31, 2012</li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/11/12/messier-monday-an-ancient-globular-cluster-m15/">M15, An Ancient Globular Cluster</a>: November 12, 2012</li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/11/26/messier-monday-a-straggling-globular-cluster-m30/">M30, A Straggling Globular Cluster</a>: November 26, 2012</li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/12/03/messier-monday-a-rich-open-star-cluster-m37/">M37, A Rich Open Star Cluster</a>: December 3, 2012</li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/01/07/messier-monday-the-dog-stars-secret-neighbor-m41/">M41, The Dog Star’s Secret Neighbor</a>: January 7, 2013</li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/12/24/messier-monday-the-beehive-cluster-praesepe-m44/">M44, The Beehive Cluster / Praesepe</a>: December 24, 2012</li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/10/29/messier-monday-the-pleiades-m45/">M45, The Pleiades</a>: October 29, 2012</li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/01/14/messier-monday-messiers-oldest-open-cluster-m67/">M67, Messier's Oldest Open Cluster</a>: January 14, 2013</li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/12/10/messier-monday-a-reflection-nebula-m78/">M78, A Reflection Nebula</a>: December 10, 2012</li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/11/19/messier-monday-bodes-galaxy-m81/">M81, Bode’s Galaxy</a>: November 19, 2012</li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/12/17/messier-monday-a-great-galactic-controversy-m102/">M102, A Great Galactic Controversy</a>: December 17, 2012</li> </ul> <p>Come back next Monday (and <em>every</em> Monday) for another Messier Monday, where we'll take another look into the brightest, closest deep-sky objects visible from right here in our own backyards!</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/startswithabang" lang="" about="/startswithabang" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">esiegel</a></span> <span>Mon, 01/14/2013 - 12:13</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/astronomy-0" hreflang="en">Astronomy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/stars" hreflang="en">Stars</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/classification" hreflang="en">classification</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/morgan-keenan" hreflang="en">morgan-keenan</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/stellar-classification" hreflang="en">Stellar Classification</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/stellar-evolution" hreflang="en">stellar evolution</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/white-dwarfs" hreflang="en">white dwarfs</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/stars" hreflang="en">Stars</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517164" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358186809"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Age about right; elemental contents almost identical...Might we be looking at the nursery that birthed Sol?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517164&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="514ovLL0FxeipaW6AR8gqh3Bo2tbr1VeP2nLGspFB6M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">djlactin (not verified)</span> on 14 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517164">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517165" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358188700"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ethan, could you someday post an explanation of how stars move off the mainline of the HR diagram, and why different stars seem to do so at different colors? Thanks, as always!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517165&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bXDYjv46WxzZdYp0hg7nuW1xDLMSSLEOqRuNHsHVTPY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">david (not verified)</span> on 14 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517165">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517166" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358190196"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ethan,</p> <p>That funny-looking star in the final picture is the result of ghosts in the red and green filters appearing at slightly different angles, due to small differences in the optical paths. In other words, it's an image artifact, not a young planetary nebula.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517166&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HkUXPhlq7gthj36uy0ins1-VBYm1BcW9qPvBIacbMbE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Michael Richmond (not verified)</span> on 14 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517166">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517167" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358199411"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Another great post. Good opening quote too!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517167&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="O4doPkUuOPw8hz-GPba3c4MogcDW_uIuGh6fLFzFFc0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">colin (not verified)</span> on 14 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517167">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517168" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358219008"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ethan,</p> <p>The two spike artefacts are exactly along the major axes of the ghost images (Michael Richmond) which is very suggestive that the images are ghosts</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517168&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="zw-Q2kgDbl5Wln3cf8UCBnXCcL7fO4BIbuULrukE0SQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Graeme (not verified)</span> on 14 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517168">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517169" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358222871"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>If you'd said that about the SECOND to last picture, I'd agree.</p> <p>However, the optical path differences aren't that big to produce such a large achromatic aberration around a star like that. Look at the other stars, they would be affected by the problem just as much.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517169&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="DdXGj9P620eDMhf9UeXeHRu_catmEdG2GZm36NwZaDw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 14 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517169">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517170" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358242419"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Dear Mr. Wow,</p> <p>Do you know what a ghost image is? Are you aware of the layout of the chips in the focal plane of the SDSS mosaic camera?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517170&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0Gq7HoEsvBs3jLxjUU4MO2A-c_E4QWZQdtLU1NCqDCE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Michael Richmond (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517170">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="33" id="comment-1517171" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358242955"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm thinking that it must be an image artifact from SDSS, because if it were actually a planetary nebula, it ought to have shown up on this 2MASS image of the cluster, where that same star is in the upper-left of <a href="http://ut-images.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/m67atlas.jpg">this image</a>.</p> <p>But there is no indication of anything other than a star there, and so I'm thinking ghost image is exactly right.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517171&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="97ZrnPnzWVhE5bvsW_imGU2KWhxwENlaUIVb_6P8yUA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/startswithabang" lang="" about="/startswithabang" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">esiegel</a> on 15 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517171">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/startswithabang"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/startswithabang" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/pastey-120x120_0.jpg?itok=sjrB9UJU" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user esiegel" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517172" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358250338"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ethan<br /> You really give a very nice education. Not that I catch it all; but I do appreciate the education. </p> <p>And it's not a passive education; you force me to look up open cluster again, think about the evolution of our sun, put in context the idea of the classes of stars, and show a use of the HR diagram. You bring all these little ideas together not as just abstract ideas; you weave an excellent story. Thanks.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517172&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="PJ94Qa3VvVMwsbT0v6nE-0yB5ToKafQkpOtOaw1zju8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">OKThen (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517172">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517173" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358251330"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>And you put in context just how vast a knowledge, modern astronomy has gathered about even such a little corner of the universe. </p> <p>Not that there isn't a lot more to know. And not that sometimes astronomers don't wax too poetic about the big picture of the universe. But for me anyway, when I understand a little bit more just how rich and deep our astronomy knowledge is even about some speck of the night sky called M67; well then I've got to give a little bit more respect (yes that is the correct word) when astronomers talk about more difficult to understand ideas (e.g. dark matter).</p> <p>I mean the work of modern astronomy is like Copernicus, Brahe, Kepler and Galileo on supersteriods. What an achievement. We (I any way) need to be specifically and continuously reminded of the achievement of modern astronomy!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517173&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uttTRaTk8b9y9CeMc37AQLjdeBVkQRTGdtQVbQ5Ii-s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">OKThen (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517173">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517174" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358251706"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"Do you know what a ghost image is?"</p> <p>Yes.</p> <p>I even know what achromatic means.</p> <p>Do you?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517174&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nXbFlFFkyU8IBWFVYbjQbzeL9smQBmkK_ek5oPwty_o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517174">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517175" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358251866"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"The two spike artefacts are exactly along the major axes of the ghost images"</p> <p>The vanes holding the secondary will produce spokes. Diffraction around the spoke causes a long thin line perpendicular to the vane.</p> <p>It's one reason why this telescope has curved vanes:</p> <p><a href="http://www.firstlightoptics.com/vixen/vixen-vmc110l.html">http://www.firstlightoptics.com/vixen/vixen-vmc110l.html</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517175&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="x32kGMVJay-sHmI24zFHlpPCAiookoe9lNMomeerpEY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517175">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517176" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358335569"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I apologize for being so curt in my response earlier. Let me try again.</p> <p>A ghost is an optical defect caused when light travels down through the optics of a telescope (as it should), but, before it reaches the detector, it bounces off one of the surfaces instead of going through it. For example, if light bounces off the back end of a filter (the end close to the CCD) back up toward the sky, but then bounces back down off the front end of the filter, it may eventually reach the CCD again after taking a slightly longer path. That longer path causes the light ray to strike the detector at a place slightly offset from its original destination. In many cases, the dominant type of internal reflection creates a big, out-of-focus image of the star, offset to one side from the star itself. You can see an example at<br /> <a href="http://www.andromedaproject.org/#!/guide/type/artifacts">http://www.andromedaproject.org/#!/guide/type/artifacts</a></p> <p>Now, the SDSS camera has six rows of CCD chips with 5 chips in each row. See the pictures in<a href="http://www.astro.princeton.edu/PBOOK/camera/camera.htm">http://www.astro.princeton.edu/PBOOK/camera/camera.htm</a>. Stars drift along each row over the course of about 7 minutes, spending about 55 seconds drifting across each of the chips. If you look at the picture, you'll see that the chips with green filters are located at different spot in the focal plane than those with red filters, or blue filters. That means that light entering each chip is coming into the chip a slightly different angle. That, in turn, means that the light rays bouncing internally off the surface of each filter will create ghost images which are oriented at a slightly different angle with respect to the main stellar image.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517176&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="smZ-6kAwgzr3I5ZXszfcwkXQff6tnburwwbopnPr3Ls"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Michael Richmond (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517176">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517177" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358335900"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It is an image artifact.</p> <p>If you look at the m67_ssds-600x479.jpg you posted, the blue star in top left part has the same halo but in blue channel.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517177&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="yw9OEUVw2vfhWkZw31iSCEZur3m1KHtN14nE3u09ylk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sinisa Lazarek (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517177">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517178" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358350182"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thank you. I love Mondays.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517178&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="z7KlJpDkUSX_w_ABQ_d0Gpm46zdt9R0QkRncOJ9C6Bs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">thetentman (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517178">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517179" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358352408"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There ARE artifacts. But the old stars have those sharper red spikes which are probably artifacts, the bluewhite stars have blue spikes which are probably the SAME artifacts, but more blue.</p> <p>And then one star all on its own has a great big rosette AND those red spikes, just like the other stars.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517179&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="aKZ3RNyLUuWRDGsFZxYG_TtmuXDWGxz1kaE6ZKeZpqs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517179">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517180" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358352689"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>That's because the one star is many times brighter than all the others, which means that its ghosts -- which are a fixed fraction of the brightness of the star itself -- are bright enough to appear above the background.</p> <p>Look, Mr. Wow, I was part of the team which built the software to reduce the SDSS images. You can look it up if you like. On this particular issue, I know whereof I speak.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517180&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="l-H37MXoECfFgut-Ofa6uP_8I2fz8B3ycbN9WfHXM4I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Michael Richmond (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517180">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517181" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358386800"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Michael, the quality of the "ghost" as you put it is very much different from the other stars, and the brightness of them are not much lower as can be told from the length of the diffraction spikes off them.</p> <p>The deeper red spikes? Happy with them being ghosts.</p> <p>The petal structure?</p> <p>No.</p> <p>Look at them all together in the last photo.</p> <p>Look how the bloom on the others fades out to nothing at the edge whilst the one in the bottom right has a definite edge that is bright and coloured.</p> <p>The colour may be an artifact, but the shape and quality of the bloom is very different.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517181&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="X87iL1dJSvVORAAE7NeZXUqlEuh5dEfYq_qH3PULYms"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517181">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517182" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358386891"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Unless you're saying that this is a sensor mosaic rather than one single sensor.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517182&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="EGJfvHT4SgekDodslwq-caIFZFi3uwn72RVN9uoW5cU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517182">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517183" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358396996"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Wow, there is nothing there. It's just a miss-alignment of RGB channels. If you open the image in Photoshop or similar where you view each channel separately, you can clearly see what's going on.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517183&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="D6eB5oH0oc5OaOck3K3QH1G-2b_Wuh0prO4Pbc00Zb4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sinisa Lazarek (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517183">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517184" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358397892"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"Wow, there is nothing there. It’s just a miss-alignment of RGB channels. "</p> <p>That's what's happening on ALL of the stars, SL.</p> <p>However, one of those stars has a very different issue going on IN ADDITION to that affecting the others.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517184&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QYu4LXU6sbj6WL3nrBKumWtUADcYfECeuIWX-YyOqR0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517184">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517185" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358398210"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>look at the second to last pic.</p> <p>All the brighter stars have the diffraction spokes from the secondary support.</p> <p>They also all have (no matter if blue or red) a greener spoke top-left to bottom-right and a redder spoke perpendicular.</p> <p>The top right of each brighter star has several (I'd call six) much smaller spokes to the top-right side of the stars, no matter if it is red or blue, though in the case of the blue, it's a much more purple colour and less visible.</p> <p>Those will be artifacts.</p> <p>Look at the second to last picture and the blobbing star in the bottom right.</p> <p>Spokes like the others. Colour cast on the axes like the others.</p> <p>And an extra feature.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517185&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Vw6GG-jZ3mcIbe6Wff2f4dIHMk6lKYVTNnGcEfMCCZA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517185">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517186" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358398335"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Note that if it is a mass ejection, it would be cooler and less optically thick, therefore more chromatically distinct. Looking at the R channel and the B channel separately won't help distinguish a colour aberration from a planetary nebula forming. Look at the ring nebula and separate out the channels there into R and B.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517186&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-wKLWppZIVBIL7LQUtVOcwpGL4hJDnQAdPcRSf0r3R0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517186">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517187" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358401859"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hope this helps ;)</p> <p>Did it in a rush, but picture speaks a thousand words :)</p> <p><a href="http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5111/imageanalisys.jpg">http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5111/imageanalisys.jpg</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517187&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="gLQXME1rYvhFVBlWwin1c9-dbUyJ6dmCCN37ScBKTzE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sinisa Lazarek (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517187">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517188" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358407361"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Aye, this is very much a visual explanation.</p> <p>If I'm not mistaken, however, your image are separating out the beyerised RGB map and not actually reading the R, G and B channels.</p> <p>Since the beyer mask puts some of the R and G pixel into the B, some of the B and R pixel into the G and some of the B and G pixel into the R, you're not getting the R, G and B pattern.</p> <p>So that aside, I can see what you're talking about now. Rubbish about the differing paths of the RG and B channels was completely a red herring (no pun intended).</p> <p>The assertion is that the shape is the reflection of the BLUE star top left on top of an inconveniently placed red star?</p> <p>Or that the ring is an artifact of something not on-chip but exacerbated by appearing very close to two bright stars?</p> <p>NOTE: off-centre planetary rings aren't unusual. Fairly common in fact, though that would be easily debatable since planetary nebulae are pretty rare to spot, being temporary objects in a stellar lifecycle.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517188&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="eUkYyPoGM-mWC973fmaRsLEhAsqIq5um80EmTXF28Io"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517188">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517189" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358409387"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm not saying it's the reflection of the blue star. I don't know enough to state that. What I am saying is that both blue and red star have THE SAME artifact. Only in the blue star it's mostly visible in blue channel. </p> <p>The rings are definately artifacts, but weather of optics or chip, I don't know. Altough mr Richmond gave a pretty clear explanation of that part. And if he indeed worked on the project, what more is there to say. </p> <p>I, for one, am convinced it's just a regular star and what we see is ghost/artifact.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517189&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="kdDHO1QIMN7sOsNgJ_Tg3POspz0mFrYTD09-2gkBgys"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sinisa Lazarek (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517189">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517190" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358409451"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Note: not using the B channel on a colour CCD is one method I use with my dad's F5 Achromat to remove the blue fringe. It works much less well on the RGB image from a webcam where you can't get RAW data access.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517190&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="oRIfdUX5NUYrvBgvg2b6ed00jSPZJ7qR0HTJftHqBr8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517190">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517191" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358409655"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"The rings are definately artifacts, but weather of optics or chip, I don’t know."</p> <p>If they are all artifacts, they'll need to be off-chip.</p> <p>The analysis you did isn't careful enough to know this, but it appears that the rings are out-of-focus images from the objective and would HAVE to be reflected at least once to the blue star and back for a second go back at the red star.</p> <p>It can only be proven by using another imager in the region operating at similar exposure/gain.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517191&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_U67aWQLLgHuLGajcBR_UTz43NOR3U_Pp5fxkfTXeuI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517191">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517192" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358413588"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>But at least I can now see what people are talking about.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517192&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Gj_7Mm-xZlXGj5dETIlRrc-65U2hQW7c365GItlDE-U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517192">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517193" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358437362"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>By the way, professor Richmond, thank you very much for the link to SDSS camera technical page. It was very informative read. Must be great to be part of a team that builds and uses such instruments! :) My respects.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517193&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZD1tAB2Nocmf5y-M0S1mmFWo_rZQffib7mSjHGs2Nzg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sinisa Lazarek (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517193">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517194" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358528537"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Mr. Richmond's explanation of internal reflections in the filters seems perfectly adequate to me. Different paths makes perfect sense, as it's not a Bayer filter, it's rows of chips with each row having a separate filter covering the chip. The (non-htmlified) link he posted shows it clearly.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517194&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NROZsox3B842C6SJPtyskPd6zIsgsHRjxTS_3qRUwog"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">CB (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517194">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517195" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358618348"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>However the Winipedia article on M67 you link to in turn links to a paper that concludes the sun could not have come from M67. <a href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.0987v1.pdf">http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.0987v1.pdf</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517195&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="GyPpxKCg6m5p96WkpTDfhgLsetWePKvsw8kAb4Fbk_I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Tim L (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517195">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1517196" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358654250"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There are several problems with that, CB. They may be explicable, but they haven't been. Under the explanation given:</p> <p>The blue star would have triple ghosting for each colour as the red star did.</p> <p>The offset would be very much more similar for the blue star as the red star.</p> <p>The other stars would be showing at least some similar ghosting, according to the length of the diffraction spikes on those stars. Their length gives you a good idea of how bright the star is.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1517196&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tlzV1OdfYMT86LRW9s7So2d0jkc6VJib44kCHEUUHCw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2013 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1517196">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/startswithabang/2013/01/14/messier-monday-messiers-oldest-open-cluster-m67%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:13:50 +0000 esiegel 35551 at https://www.scienceblogs.com What is the Sun made out of? https://www.scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/10/24/what-is-the-sun-made-out-of <span>What is the Sun made out of?</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>"The sun is a mass of incandescent gas<br /> A gigantic nuclear furnace<br /> Where hydrogen is built into helium<br /> At a temperature of millions of degrees" -<em><a href="http://youtu.be/3JdWlSF195Y">They Might Be Giants</a></em></p></blockquote> <p>It's so ingrained in us that the Sun is a nuclear furnace powered by hydrogen atoms fusing into heavier elements that it's difficult to remember that, <em>just</em> 100 years ago, we didn't even know what the Sun was made out of!</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/Wales_Anglesey_Rhosneigr_Sunset_Rocks_Set_8_Exp_1_LORESWWW.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26112" title="Wales_Anglesey_Rhosneigr_Sunset_Rocks_Set_8_Exp_1_LORESWWW" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/Wales_Anglesey_Rhosneigr_Sunset_Rocks_Set_8_Exp_1_LORESWWW-600x400.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="400" /></a> <p>Image credit: Landscape Photography by Barney Delaney.</p> </div> <p>The conventional wisdom at the time, believe it or not, was that the Sun was made out of pretty much the same elements that the Earth is! Although that might seem a bit absurd to you, consider the following piece of evidence.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/atomic_line_spectra.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26113" title="atomic_line_spectra" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/atomic_line_spectra-600x332.png" alt="" width="600" height="332" /></a> <p>Image credit: Stephen Lower.</p> </div> <p>Every element in the periodic table -- which was well-understood back then -- has a characteristic <em>spectrum</em> to it. When those atoms are heated up, the transitions back down to lower-energy states cause emission lines, and when a background, multi-spectral light is shone on them, they absorb energy at those very same wavelengths. So if we observed the Sun at all these individual wavelengths, we could figure out what elements were present in its outermost layers by its absorption features.</p> <p>That technique is known as spectroscopy, where the light from an object is broken up into its individual wavelengths for further study. When we do this to the Sun, here's what we find.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/sunx.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26114" title="sunx" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/sunx-600x400.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="400" /></a> <p>Image credit: N.A.Sharp, NOAO / NSO / Kitt Peak FTS / AURA / NSF.</p> </div> <p>Basically, there are the same elements that we find on Earth. But what is it, exactly, that causes those lines to appear with the <em>relative strengths</em> that they appear. For example, you may notice that some of these absorption lines are very narrow, while some of them are very, very deep and strong. Take a closer look at the strongest absorption line in the visible spectrum, which occurs at a wavelength of 6563 Ångströms.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/WhySoStrong.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26115" title="WhySoStrong" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/WhySoStrong-600x193.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="193" /></a> <p>Image credit: N.A.Sharp, NOAO / NSO / Kitt Peak FTS / AURA / NSF.</p> </div> <p>What determines the strength of these lines, as well as the relative weakness of the lines surrounding it? It turns out that there are <em>two</em> factors, one of which is obvious: the more of an element you have, the stronger the absorption line is going to be. That particular wavelength -- 6563 Å -- corresponds to a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-alpha">well-known Hydrogen line</a>.</p> <p>But there is a second factor that <em>must</em> be understood in order to get the strength of these lines right: the level of <em>ionization</em> of the atoms present.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/IonizationEnergyAtomicWeight.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26116" title="IonizationEnergyAtomicWeight" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/IonizationEnergyAtomicWeight-600x374.png" alt="" width="600" height="374" /></a> <p>Image credit: Grafik selbst erstellt, uploaded by wikipedia user JJnoDog.</p> </div> <p>Different atoms lose an electron (or multiple electrons) at different energies. So not only do different elements each have a characteristic spectrum associated with them, they can exist in a number of different ionized states (missing one electron, or two, or three, etc.) that <em>each</em> have their own, unique spectrum!</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/p_table_sus_ion.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26117" title="p_table_sus_ion" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/p_table_sus_ion-600x206.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="206" /></a> <p>Image credit: Avon Chemistry, from <a href="http://www.avon-chemistry.com/">http://www.avon-chemistry.com/</a>, energies in kiloJoules.</p> </div> <p>Because energy is the only thing that determines the ionization state(s) of atoms, this means that different <em>temperatures</em> will result in different relative levels of ionization, and therefore, different relative levels of absorption!</p> <p>So when we're looking at stars -- like the Sun -- we know that they come in a huge variety of different types, as a look through any telescope or binoculars will immediately show you, if it isn't clear to your naked eye.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/hs-1999-30-c-full_jpg.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26118" title="hs-1999-30-c-full_jpg" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/hs-1999-30-c-full_jpg-600x606.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="606" /></a> <p>Image credit: The Quintuplet Cluster as imaged by Hubble, Don Figer (STScI) and NASA.</p> </div> <p>These stars, very notably, come in strikingly different colors, which tells us that -- at least at their surfaces -- they exist at vastly different <em>temperatures</em> from one another! Because hot objects all emit the same type of (blackbody) radiation, when we see stars of different colors, we're really detecting a temperature difference between them: blue stars are hotter and red stars are cooler.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/BlackbodySpectrum_loglog_150dpi_en1.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26119" title="BlackbodySpectrum_loglog_150dpi_en" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/BlackbodySpectrum_loglog_150dpi_en1-600x435.png" alt="" width="600" height="435" /></a> <p>Image credit: Wikimedia commons user Sch.</p> </div> <p>After all, this is why we <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_classification">classify stars</a> the way we do in modern times, with the hottest, bluest stars (O-type stars) at one end and the coolest, reddest stars (M-type stars) at the other.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/Morgan-Keenan_spectral_classification.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26120" title="Morgan-Keenan_spectral_classification" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/Morgan-Keenan_spectral_classification-600x217.png" alt="" width="600" height="217" /></a> <p>Image credit: Morgan-Keenan-Kellman spectral classification, by wikipedia user Kieff.</p> </div> <p>But this was not how we <em>always</em> classified stars. There's a hint in the naming scheme, because if you had always classified stars by temperature, you might expect the order to go something like "ABCDEFG" instead of "OBAFGKM," right?</p> <p>Well, there's a story here. Back before this modern classification scheme, we instead looked at the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_classification#Harvard_spectral_classification">relative strengths of absorption lines</a> in a star, and classified them by what spectral lines did or did not show up. And the pattern is far from obvious.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/spectraclassification.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26121" title="spectraclassification" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/spectraclassification-600x440.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="440" /></a> <p>Image credit: Brooks Cole Publishing.</p> </div> <p>Different lines appear and disappear at certain temperatures, as completely ionized atoms have <em>no</em> absorption lines! So when you measure an absorption line in a star, you need to understand what its temperature is (and hence its ionization properties are) in order to rightfully conclude what the relative abundances of the elements are within it.</p> <p>And if we go back to the Sun's spectrum, with the knowledge of what the different atoms are, their atomic spectra, and their ionization energies/properties, what do we learn from that?</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/sunx.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26114" title="sunx" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/sunx-600x400.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="400" /></a> <p>Image credit: N.A.Sharp, NOAO / NSO / Kitt Peak FTS / AURA / NSF.</p> </div> <p>That, in fact, the elements that are found on the Sun <em>are</em> pretty much the same as the elements found on Earth, with two major exceptions: Helium and Hydrogen were both <em>vastly</em> more abundant than they are on Earth. Helium was many thousands of times richer on the Sun than it is here on Earth, and Hydrogen was about <strong>one million</strong> times more abundant on the Sun, making it the most common element there <em>by far</em>.</p> <p>Know who the scientist was who put this all together? I'll give you a hint: it was a 25-year-old woman who was never fully given the credit she deserved.</p> <div style="width: 610px;display:block;margin:0 auto;"><a href="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/Cecilia-Payne.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-26122" title="Cecilia H. Payne" src="/files/startswithabang/files/2012/10/Cecilia-Payne-600x469.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="469" /></a> <p>Image credit: The Smithsonian Institution.</p> </div> <p>Meet <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecilia_Payne-Gaposchkin">Cecilia Payne</a> (later Cecilia Payne-Gaposchkin), who did this work for her Ph.D. thesis way back in 1925! (Astronomer Otto Struve called it "undoubtedly the most brilliant Ph.D. thesis ever written in astronomy.") Just the second woman to earn her Ph.D. in astronomy through <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_College_Observatory">Harvard College Observatory</a> (where she had to move to earn one; her original alma mater, Cambridge, didn't award Ph.D.s to women until 1948), she wound up having <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecilia_Payne-Gaposchkin">a remarkable astronomy career</a>, becoming the first female chair of a department at Harvard and an inspiration to generations of astronomers, both male and female.</p> <p>Historically, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Norris_Russell">Henry Norris Russell</a> (of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertzsprung%E2%80%93Russell_diagram">Hertzsprung-Russell</a> fame) was often given the credit for the discovery that the Sun is primarily composed of hydrogen, as he dissuaded Payne from publishing her conclusion and stated it himself four years later. <strong>Let that be the case no longer!</strong> This was Cecilia Payne's brilliant discovery and she deserves <em>full credit</em> for making it. The strength of the absorption lines combined with the temperature of the stars and the known ionization properties of atoms leave you with the inescapable conclusion: <strong>the Sun is a mass of primarily Hydrogen</strong>! Thanks to Cecilia Payne, now you know <em>how</em> we know that.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/startswithabang" lang="" about="/startswithabang" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">esiegel</a></span> <span>Wed, 10/24/2012 - 02:46</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/astronomy-0" hreflang="en">Astronomy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/physics" hreflang="en">Physics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/q" hreflang="en">Q &amp; A</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/stars" hreflang="en">Stars</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cecilia-payne" hreflang="en">Cecilia Payne</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/hydrogen" hreflang="en">hydrogen</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ionisation" hreflang="en">ionisation</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ionization" hreflang="en">ionization</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/spectra" hreflang="en">spectra</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/spectral-classification" hreflang="en">Spectral Classification</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/spectrum" hreflang="en">spectrum</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/star-type" hreflang="en">star type</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/stellar-classification" hreflang="en">Stellar Classification</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/sun-0" hreflang="en">the sun</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/stars" hreflang="en">Stars</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515536" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351063876"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I have a slightly pedantic trivia fact check for you: "Why Does the Sun Shine" was recorded by TMBG, but it was written by Hy Zaret way back in 1959. It is not so great an achievement as Cecilia Payne's, but... credit where credit's due and all that.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515536&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="viOkLD18YDPIv5qlXK2ofL6x1So5aNfV7hV97AYjNd8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Daniel (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515536">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515537" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351064534"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Also, TMBG has since recorded an update to their song, entitled "Why Does the Sun Really Shine", where they make a correction: "The sun is miasma of incandescent plasma", and also comment that the previous "thesis has been rendered invalid". <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLkGSV9WDMA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLkGSV9WDMA</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515537&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xrd6RM-4p_NyDHihCgVcSmxlUpZbKemVmDbhjeE_Vcw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515537">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515538" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351065031"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>One of TMBG's science songs is a *cover*?! Amazing!</p> <p>Not as amazing as Cecilia Payne's discovery!</p> <p>Sad how men fought so hard to prevent women from achieving in science, and when they went and did it anyway, fought to keep their names out of the history books. Very similar thing happened to Rosalind Franklin wrt the discovery of DNA's structure. She's the one who actually did the work to actually figure it out. But then some schmucks took all the credit and tried to relegate her to the historical dust bin. </p> <p>So far so good on digging them out, and thanks Ethan for contributing! I only wonder at all the women -- and, possibly, the discoveries by them -- that are still unknown.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515538&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bw_jWjVDVSKuhiq8qUYrPVg25RwQxPpj9h2-tSXLs_o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">CB (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515538">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515539" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351065389"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Also, when TMBG learned about the factual errors in "Why does the Sun Shine", they wrote their own song called "Why does the Sun Really Shine":</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLkGSV9WDMA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLkGSV9WDMA</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515539&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="682rPwb1DV0i6AegEqxJP3-V2Eh9twzb3U225wCiq9s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Todd (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515539">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515540" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351067874"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Still doesn't explain "OBAFGKM" ;)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515540&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8Srbzs6UmLsY7zkJEQhOicYi5drz8G-k16_w6YPEs0A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John Armstrong (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515540">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515541" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351068832"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Soylent green.</p> <p>Which is made from humans.</p> <p>Which are made of ex-star stuff.</p> <p>It's a cycle of nature!</p> <p>(and there's no explanation for why astronomers have a mnemonic "Oh Be A Fine Girl, Kiss Me, Right Now! Smack!" probably made up by an Arts Major as ironic humour...)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515541&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BlQTdgj4Tv9nijrI0TCsMVTjelw7YwL3GCANxYKm-LY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515541">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515542" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351078644"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Fun fact: the corona has a density 12 orders of magnitude less than the earth's atmosphere. </p> <p>So, if you wanted to describe what that first picture of Ethan's is made of, a reasonably accurate answer is: nothing. That big orange surface, all those beautiful filaments? Mostly empty space.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515542&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="YSbW6rmlrWbggB_T6-DCFqjmJUc9SpS9QWswBrI6BVc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">eric (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515542">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515543" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351079170"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Sure, but why is our standard of not-nothing earth atmosphere? At the sub-atomic level the iron core of the earth is still mostly empty space. :)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515543&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Xi6Y8juKxkeqvvgk8Z93WfS286tgk6PWO3MzYuSu5yo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">CB (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515543">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515544" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351082357"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>In your last paragraph, as you have phrased it, it seems (or at least<br /> I understood it that way when I read it) as if Russell just parroted what<br /> Payne said and took the credit for it. What happened is that later Russell<br /> arrived at the same conclusion using a different argument, which led to its<br /> acceptance; and he recognized Payne's earlier work in his 1929 paper.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515544&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wINqh4kN0ankReH50AJBUrp5HXHgfnKxUuHZLthWlmA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">atom (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515544">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515545" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351084681"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>CB: Also Lisa Meitner did most of the work which led to the discovery of fission of uranium. The person who got all the credit, and a Nobel Prize, was her colleague Otto Hahn.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515545&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5-kKaaHoWDXjbZ_RygOveK17weBz19CAxeY9oPsaheA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Bruce (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515545">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515546" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351084867"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>And many people think Einstein's wife (name escapes me), who he himself admitted did the checking of his mathematics, did a lot of the work leading to his seminal papers on relativity, the photoelectric effect, and brownian motion (all published 1905).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515546&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="agad7JIn3btQpuVvHsqw35hqsGGOelKJ8m-nysBensw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Bruce (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515546">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515547" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351096916"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"Sad how men fought so hard to prevent women from achieving in science"</p> <p>"fought"</p> <p>I like the assumption that this is no longer the case.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515547&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Mm-DI1KLFAoAMCjApFGVSsYoEWfyar0jB1NwpkohXUw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">skeith (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515547">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515548" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351129640"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>However, your statement implies there's been no noticeable improvement.</p> <p>This isn't the case either.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515548&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-VX7Dn7tsO0Do2eJ6pz_ekGWnhJTqWFmDFG3wieVtGo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515548">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515549" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351132702"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Is the colour of the inside of the sun different to the outside of it due to the temperature difference? </p> <p>Is the inside blue and the exterior red?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515549&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6bSrKf9okfvOVYTw4u-9n6LDbz9I2OiNjrO1H5HP_5k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515549">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515550" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351139164"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>John Armstrong<br /> It seems that Pickering's assistant Fleming started a star classification that went through the alphabet from A to V. Stars with the most hydrogen were A; then B, then so on up to V. But it was a clumsy scheme. </p> <p>So, " In 1901, another of Pickering's assistants, Annie Jump Cannon, also begun to work on the classification sequence. Her meticulous observations led her to simplify the 22-type scheme into a simple sequence of *temperature*: OBAFGKM."</p> <p>The OBAFGKM stars were the most important stars because they organized the stars by surface temperature. The other star letters seem to have either disappeared (absorbed as subsets of the ( OBAFGKM) or originally served specialized stars. e.g. L and T are brown dwarfs, P for Planetary nebula, Q for nova. I see Y as another type of Brown drawf (so maybe the alphabet scheme was used for more than 22 letters).</p> <p>I'm not a historian, so I defer to any who knows this history better. So Annie Jump Cannon was another woman astronomeer. "She is credited with the creation of the Harvard Classification Scheme (OBAFGKM), which was the first serious attempt to organize and classify stars based on their temperatures... The female astronomers doing this groundbreaking work at Harvard Observatory earned 25 cents per hour, which was less than what the secretaries at the university earned." wikipedia</p> <p>Cannon's work came before Cecilia Payne's work.</p> <p><a href="http://www.sdsc.edu/ScienceWomen/cannon.html">http://www.sdsc.edu/ScienceWomen/cannon.html</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515550&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BQuynlOUlDuJt50kfxie9bVLq7IE4r3eoCdYRXS75NI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">OKThen (not verified)</span> on 25 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515550">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515551" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351161791"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>What is the Sun made out of? <a href="http://www.thesunisiron.com/">Iron</a>, if you're a <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2007/05/31/crank-howto/">crank</a>, or easily persuaded by one.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515551&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xwhUd83yljAyW5ouYxQrfMzt971Nrvb0ROwRHUZUPe8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mal Adapted (not verified)</span> on 25 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515551">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515552" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1351169462"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>When we talk about those denied credit for their work, let's not forget Jocelyn Bell Burnell, who should have at least shared the 1974 Nobel Prize for her discovery of the first radio pulsars. She did get a belated knighthood, and inspired thousands of young women scientists.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515552&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="GOxkzsYi40fNjO7Abd9CZpImbyL_IBQy-ahXQwrs7Ng"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">chuckinmontreal (not verified)</span> on 25 Oct 2012 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515552">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515553" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1391530658"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>this does not answer my question..... WHAT IS SUN'S ENERGY MADE UP OF ????</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515553&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="y5x2Gm2fGzIjZyOsEpMyU3AohNUgMvNyl58JpTuO6-U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">madoca (not verified)</span> on 04 Feb 2014 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515553">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515554" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1391570342"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Because your question makes no sense, madoca.</p> <p>Anyone trying to answer will have to make sense of it because as written it's nonsense. And therefore they will answer a question they have tried to work out as being the one that you'd say if you knew how to say it.</p> <p>You'd be as well off demanding "WHAT IS FOOD'S ENERGY MADE UP OF????" then complaining when it said to be "chemical energy" that "this does not answer my question" because you didn't mean that.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515554&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="w2-hIkyg4noVKXHMJzRb4zywXKbPfpZMLQCMZlXK9k0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 04 Feb 2014 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515554">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515555" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1452080366"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>i thought the sun was made from plasma</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515555&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0Q_IhgMdQldPynO5GjrXX4Vij7xOZKR1RwJYzzGxpl0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">john goins (not verified)</span> on 06 Jan 2016 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515555">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1515556" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1452142877"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>And your house is made out of solid, your drink is made of liquid?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1515556&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="l3Vwk5oIkl1grWakt6X0KMLD1pst_XDc5qjwNCu6bk8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wow (not verified)</span> on 07 Jan 2016 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-1515556">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/startswithabang/2012/10/24/what-is-the-sun-made-out-of%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Wed, 24 Oct 2012 06:46:02 +0000 esiegel 35504 at https://www.scienceblogs.com Oh, Be a Fine Girl! https://www.scienceblogs.com/universe/2010/07/05/oh-be-a-fine-girl <span>Oh, Be a Fine Girl!</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/universe/wp-content/blogs.dir/447/files/2012/04/i-6145aee2083b6d2b915686a24aac8abb-AJC.jpg" alt="i-6145aee2083b6d2b915686a24aac8abb-AJC.jpg" /></p> <p>Readers, help me sort out an egregious detail of astronomical lore. </p> <p>The most common method of classifying stars -- <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_classification#Harvard_spectral_classification"> Harvard Spectral Classification</a> -- was thought up by one of the most famous female astronomers of all time, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Jump_Cannon">Annie Jump Cannon</a>. Adapted from <a href="http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=488">a cumbersome older method</a> which sorted stars into 22 alphabetical categories of observable hydrogen in their spectra, the Cannon method orders stars from hottest to coldest. This, despite being functional and elegant, left her (and us) with an unpronounceable acronym: OBAFGKM. With the recent addition of two colder categories of stars, the problem has worsened. How to remember OBAFGKMLT?</p> <p>And here's where the problem lies. OBAFGKM(LT), though invented by one of the most admirable and brilliant women of the 20th century, is universally remembered by scientists, graduate students, and <a href="http://www.setileague.org/songbook/obafgkm.htm">backyard astronomers</a> as "Oh, Be a Fine Girl, Kiss Me!"</p> <p>There <em>has</em> to be a better way. Although Annie herself may have come up with the name, what was appropriate in 1896 certainly isn't now. Women of the sciences, bite back! Let's come up with an acronym as memorable, as easily recalled as "Oh, Be a Fine Girl, Kiss Me;" perhaps one as snarky and condescending to the male scientific establishment as its predecessor has been to women -- or, perhaps, one which will serve its purpose without making anyone wince. In my research on the subject, I've found only one worthy successor: </p> <p><strong>"Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully"</strong></p> <p>Which, adapting for the two new letters, might perhaps read:</p> <p><strong>"Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed -- Men, Learn This"</strong></p> <p>Other contenders from the desk of <em>Universe</em>:</p> <p>For the exasperated female grad student, "<strong>Oh Brother, <em>Another</em> Fucking Geriatric Killjoy Male Lesson Today</strong>?" For the sex-positive feminist, "<strong>Often Boys Assume (Falsely) Girls Kissing Means Lesbians</strong>." For the reactionary riot grrl, "<strong>Oh, Be A Fine Girl: <em>Kill Male Loser Tightwads!</em></strong>" </p> <p>Or, perhaps, a more neutral acronym, one which speaks to general vexation against entrenched hierarchies and over-rigid educational contexts? "<strong>Over Bearing Adults, Frankly, Give Kids Much Lifelong Trauma.</strong>"</p> <p>And now I turn it over to you, dear readers. Think of dear Annie Jump Cannon, with her amazing name and due scientific diligence, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Computers">working long underpaid hours at the Harvard Observatory</a>, cataloguing some 230,000 stars. I'm certain that together, all us fine girls and guys can come up with something both funny and appropriate -- or at least exercise our minds in the process. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/cevans" lang="" about="/author/cevans" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">cevans</a></span> <span>Mon, 07/05/2010 - 05:30</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/human" hreflang="en">Human</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/space-0" hreflang="en">space</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/systems" hreflang="en">systems</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/together-now" hreflang="en">Together Now!</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/annie-jump-cannon" hreflang="en">Annie Jump Cannon</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/astronomy-0" hreflang="en">Astronomy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/feminism" hreflang="en">feminism</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/oh-be-fine-girl-kiss-me" hreflang="en">Oh Be A Fine Girl Kiss Me</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/participation" hreflang="en">Participation</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/stellar-classification" hreflang="en">Stellar Classification</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/space-0" hreflang="en">space</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/systems" hreflang="en">systems</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511088" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278333813"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I understand your concern. But, it is nothing compared to how I was taught electrical color coding in 1980: Black Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Violet Goes Willingly. Pretty nasty, huh?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511088&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="u5-ADq36ChPKcLi7XezGTz2u_C-637UDEztE_uU-aTw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike Olson (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511088">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="389" id="comment-2511089" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278333919"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Haha! Seriously? Wait, how many more nightmarishly sexist acronyms are there yet to be amended? I smell a crusade.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511089&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="sep5Ib3VvGN7dpjfXpY1ssZZmCrazsHutvRbdh6vhKU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/cevans" lang="" about="/author/cevans" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">cevans</a> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511089">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/cevans"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/cevans" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="389" id="comment-2511090" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278334026"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh, and racist...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511090&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="IwSAuxZp8EeiQmP36zkwVNWG9dragn7ftXli_oC1a_I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/cevans" lang="" about="/author/cevans" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">cevans</a> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511090">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/cevans"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/cevans" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511091" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278336122"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Order Bat And Fried Giant Kraken Marinated Leftovers Tonight.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511091&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ekwXt7QvtLXLviTWO3jaLb749B05HqmCnq63i-fjgjY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">blf (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511091">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511092" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278337138"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>What's wrong with "Guy"?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511092&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XSGwctEVqmpkoh_YintJojwCl2_u9uO_3LpremBZYxg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sili (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511092">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511093" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278340748"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The fact that the initialism seems snarky and sexist now doesn't mean it did when it was invented. You can't just ignore the historical context when you judge the past by modern standards.</p> <p>Any decent professor of astronomy will point out that the G can stand for "girl" or "guy." Now you're asking for revisions that are /meant/ to be sexist? How exactly is that helping the problem?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511093&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rpYuNBLh5-Anft0xD0GkS-DP05Ic4dbYv-BGwnkFtU8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anon (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511093">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511094" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278340883"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>When I learned the mnemonic for the resistor color code, it was "Bad Boys" for black &amp; brown, "Gives" for gray, but otherwise the same as Mike reports. Of course, I learned it well before 1980, which may or may not be relevant.</p> <p>Regarding the spectral classification, one way to remember the basic sequence (minus the last two classifications) is:</p> <p>Oh but a fine girl knows more.</p> <p>For L &amp; T, you could change the period to a comma and append:</p> <p>learns theory.</p> <p>If you wanted to be provocative, you could substitute:</p> <p>likes tantra.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511094&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="PupC86cvyjpMrQtBO0cSWFdRUBUX1jE6h2GrhvG28J8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris Winter (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511094">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511095" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278340888"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>No edits allowed, so replace that last "sexist" with "snarky/offensive/abrasive/etc" as you see fit.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511095&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8wwymhJFvpI32UsXyB2U0Dg9t72-FVpe-PNougzxYqg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anon (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511095">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511096" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278342066"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This is awesome.</p> <blockquote><p>The fact that the initialism seems snarky and sexist now doesn't mean it did when it was invented. You can't just ignore the historical context when you judge the past by modern standards.</p></blockquote> <p>It doesn't matter how it seemed when it was invented. "Now" is where we live.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511096&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="YauIBSGYFdTIql0sBX-rbw16w3gf51TpWNUG2UUBAgg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Azkyroth (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511096">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="389" id="comment-2511097" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278344898"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi anon, I feel you. But I'm asking for <em>any</em> revisions that might be of interest -- the reverse snarky ones I presented are all in good fun, and feel like a little kick in the pants to decades of sexism. Anyways, Azkyroth is right on: "now" is where we live, and now is where girls studying science already have enough deterrents as it is.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511097&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1arjBaIalpAwHaBp9EYuUb73h6mSFXFTlxpMhu-wEXk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/cevans" lang="" about="/author/cevans" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">cevans</a> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511097">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/cevans"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/cevans" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511098" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278346444"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I quite like blf's suggestion at comment #4 but that may be because it's dinner time here . . .</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511098&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="pmzDVOLehNXytfFYRWAwpibrpu4XS74ROQHzx3yEFlI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anna (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511098">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511099" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278347088"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I was taught the acronym from #1 for resistor color codes in 1998. It was often quite awkward being the only female EE student in my classes.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511099&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="yPXmKFD0O_qfxbKQTY8njntcp-mgk6L0xCmwDKX3n3Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chiral (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511099">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511100" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278348413"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>NASA's <a href="http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html">Astronomy Picture of the Day</a> suggested (4/18/04) "Oven Baked Apples From Grandpa's/Grandma's Kitchen. Mmmm".</p> <p>Other proposals have included -</p> <blockquote><p>Old, Bald, And Fat Generals Keep Mistresses, and </p> <p>Oh Boy, An F Grade Kills Me</p> <p>Only Beer And Fine Grass Keep My Rattled Nerves Sane.</p></blockquote> <p>Previous <a href="http://www.astro.sunysb.edu/fwalter/AST101/mnemonic.html">online contests</a> offer other prospects.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511100&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jnZOk_VOo5X66h1hj-e6_tTDk1PlAg07j0Vkv0K8mLg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Pierce R. Butler (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511100">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511101" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278349312"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Forget the sexist, racist, and mysogynistic and remember...</p> <p>Observatory Bound Astronomers, Forget Grades, Know Life Must Triumph.</p> <p>I like your blog, and will look in again.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511101&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9_CBcsaKIsUtoskf0q3D5Q0jrfY2g1MA6NWpjZ4unds"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gordon (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511101">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511102" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278352028"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The best solution is a new classification of abcdefghi, then no mnemonic is necessary.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511102&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="OfNPSooyeLAFsm0lO9WJ8Om3sIRbbtnTKs3H1NMhuS4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">TRJc (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511102">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511103" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278354610"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>For those with a science fiction bent:</p> <p>Olive, building a friend, gets kind metal. Loving titanium.</p> <p>For those of you hepcats:</p> <p>Ouch! Burned a finger, got killer munchies, Love Tallahassee</p> <p>[I quite like that opening since it reminds you that you are starting from the hottest classification.]</p> <p>And last, an anti-war message:</p> <p>Only bitter and foolish generals, killing machines, love tanks.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511103&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="RjK7hYT7KBdGX6KczoAJLh37RSpuet_qhjAbx2Ug5Kk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://garlandgrey.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Garland Grey (not verified)</a> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511103">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511104" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278354737"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Black Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Violet Goes Willingly. Pretty nasty, huh?</p></blockquote> <p> In the navy schools I attended in the 70's it was:Batman Blows Robin On Yon Gotham Bridge, Very Good Work.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511104&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tT8KgWQ8CCnGGtnTppbVCyzr8HAAxuVWo-hY4IR1B6Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bullofthewoods (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511104">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511105" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278356747"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I still like this one (amongst a number) we got in class (not certain of the original source - it was possibly in response to a previous class contest):<br /> Only Bored Astronomers Find Gratification Knowing Mnemonics...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511105&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AHJFYEemoZJ5dHaeRd9Q8o4YkU1vX9ZeTAyUpIvnmf4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Stellar_muddle (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511105">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511106" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278366222"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh boy! A friendly guy/girl/goat kissed my lips tenderly!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511106&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ADg1B7PVcJTk3g0b3wgmoCASccrjR-5DbbmREjFqRvg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">wjts (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511106">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511107" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278375933"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>So many words can be levered into this ... magnitude, mass, luminosity, astronomy, galaxy, kelvin. I ended up with this:</p> <blockquote><p>Observer Bazooka Annie Furthered Galactic Knowledge Melding Luminosity and Temperature</p></blockquote> <p>Not too happy with it though - the luminosity bit is a stretch. Also came up with this variation:</p> <blockquote><p>Overhauling Balmer, Annie Furthered Galactic Knowledge Making a List by Temperature</p></blockquote> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511107&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="WSPezTBZtjXbEqUos0GjIBkqbcEoCM9imv2pmnDBzps"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.addedbytes.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Dave Child (not verified)</a> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511107">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511108" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278386876"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A few possible phrase "building blocks":<br /> W: wormhole, Worf(Star Trek), Wolfram (Steve) warp (speed) O: Orbital, occultation B: Bender (from Futurama), blasted (as in drunk) binary, bunk (as in rubbish), boson A: antimatter, arbitrary, AI (as in computer), F: Feynman, flunk, foggy (as in mind), force-field G: Gravity , gorged, galactic K: Kirk (the captain) kinetic, kill, Korolev(Soviet rocket engineer), Kava (Polynesian alternative to alcohol) M: matter, mega-something, miscellaneous, moronic, missile L: Light-cone, Lithium, laser, lazy, lurking, lensing (gravity), Leonov (cosmonaut, first space walk) T: tera-something, twisting, tunnelling (quantum), twitter, T-1000 (the terminator), tedious, target</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511108&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="kigf9tvjVsgT6thxIMuguc3rg1LkOjEU1ILU0zYdHtw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Birger Johansson (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511108">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511109" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278421212"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Adding in the Wolf-Rayet stars at the beginning, here's my effort...</p> <p>Wizards only buy artifacts from genuinely knowledgeable merchants like T...</p> <p>Replace T... by some name of your preference (starting with T obviously).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511109&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Imna6TQA6bYv08XXgwi6MesTf8HRwWo_VDDOay7bFyw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">andy (not verified)</span> on 06 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511109">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511110" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278421982"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I believe Danny Dunn used that line on Irene once, but I have long since forgotten whether she slapped him for it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511110&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4mlJAb7o10cES8DASZheeDPsdUhxNtoCgEJcywFxuG0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">anon (not verified)</span> on 06 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511110">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511111" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278893318"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi all;<br /> A fatal flaw was that they failed to have any representative posts ready to go up when the blog went live.</p> <p>Had they done so, and had the content been surprisingly acceptable, the reception might have been better.</p> <p>Instead we get this "Hi! Welcome to ShillBlog!" (crickets) and everyone, quite reasonably, expects the worst.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511111&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="J5Svx1ZROnYzNX_Fv4p-QEUxqzq9t3fflre1Zwf4SP0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.nakliyatankara.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">evden eve nakliyat (not verified)</a> on 11 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511111">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="389" id="comment-2511112" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1278909398"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi evden, are you talking about the PepsiCo blog? The controversy reaches even here!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511112&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="MR2uWj-Vlg_F7atJt_Gp6HIyQhGpLpmPs_H-M6GpPUU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/cevans" lang="" about="/author/cevans" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">cevans</a> on 12 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511112">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/cevans"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/cevans" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511113" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1279381888"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>According to the Wikipedia entry on Annie Jump Cannon: "Not long after the work on the Draper Catalog began, a disagreement developed as to how to classify the stars. Antonia Maury, who was also Henry Draper's niece, insisted on a complex classification system while Williamina Fleming, who was overseeing the project for Pickering, wanted a much more simple, straightforward approach. Annie Jump Cannon negotiated a compromise. She started by examining the bright southern hemisphere stars. To these stars she applied a third system, a division of stars into the spectral classes O, B, A, F, G, K, M. SHE gave HER system a mnemonic of "Oh Be a Fine GIRL and Kiss Me." (my emphasis). Now just what's so dated about Lesbian mnemonics?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511113&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XqM4KJN_4Hm9VQ4kvPHzDHBKnK_i8MBU4agbKMnvbWI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jon (not verified)</span> on 17 Jul 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511113">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511114" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1285180220"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oak bark and fine grass know many leafy tricks</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511114&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nY9eguFm1urRsRl4eMmMTRq6xrYUF5r4vcYtdhIXpKs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">johnzero (not verified)</span> on 22 Sep 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511114">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2511115" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1286599615"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>my first thought was<br /> --oral beats anal for girls kindling my lascivious tendencies-</p> <p>A factually accurate statement ( at least where my lascivious tendencies are concerned) but it doesn't pass the sexism test. To make it more gender neutral, I modified it to<br /> --oral beats anal for generating kinky masturbatory lustful thoughts--<br /> but that just replaces the male female dichotomy with an oral anal dichotomy thus replacing sexism with kinkism ( a word I just coined to mean discrimination towards those with a differing set of turn ons and turn offs) </p> <p>so then I came up with</p> <p>-- only by actually freely gaining knowledge, may lesbians triumph --</p> <p>Ok, ok--it is late and I still have the whole girls kissing thing in my mind---but I persevere and come up with</p> <p>--only by anyone freely gathering knowledge, may learning triumph--</p> <p>TA DA!!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2511115&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="efPT8yJzK7fkZkdkgQcfcxD2zkD8Zfcc3oYGxnYThtk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">kevin r (not verified)</span> on 09 Oct 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/10545/feed#comment-2511115">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/universe/2010/07/05/oh-be-a-fine-girl%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 05 Jul 2010 09:30:00 +0000 cevans 150666 at https://www.scienceblogs.com