participant-driven research https://www.scienceblogs.com/ en Why I'm releasing my genetic data online [Genetic Future] https://www.scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2010/10/12/why-im-releasing-my-genetic-da <span>Why I&#039;m releasing my genetic data online [Genetic Future]</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/wp-content/blogs.dir/274/files/2012/04/i-7211f30e596305e81407f6284f71620c-gnz_logo.jpg" alt="i-7211f30e596305e81407f6284f71620c-gnz_logo.jpg" /></p><div></div> <div>Back in June I launched a new blog, <a href="http://www.genomesunzipped.org/">Genomes Unzipped</a>, together with a group of colleagues and friends with expertise in various areas of genetics. At the time I <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2010/07/announcing_genomes_unzipped_a.php">made a rather cryptic comment</a> about "planning much bigger things for the site over the next few months".</div> <div></div> <div>Today I announced what I meant by that: from today, <b>all of the 12 members of Genomes Unzipped - including my wife and I - will be releasing their own results from a variety of genetic tests, online, for anyone to access</b>. Initially those results consist of data from one company (<a href="https://www.23andme.com/">23andMe</a>) for all 12 members; <a href="http://www.decodeme.com/">deCODEme</a> for one member; and <a href="https://www.counsyl.com/">Counsyl</a> for two of us (my wife and I). As the project proceeds, we plan to obtain and release the results from a far wider range of genetic tests, up to and including complete genome sequences.</div> <div></div> <div>In all, the group is currently releasing over <b>7 million pieces of genetic data</b> mined from our own genomes. Anyone can <a href="http://www.genomesunzipped.org/data">download the data in raw form</a>, or view it on <a href="http://www.genomesunzipped.org/jbrowse/">a custom browser</a> that two of the group assembled using the open-source JBrowse software. Already the data is being used: blogger Dienekes yesterday published <a href="http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/10/running-euro-dna-calc-on.html">an analysis of our ancestry using his own program, EURO-DNA-CALC</a>.</div> <div></div> <div>We have plenty more planned over the next few weeks, including <b>discussion of the ethical issues associated with releasing data publicly</b>, especially given the potential impact on family members. We'll also be <b>presenting analyses of our own data</b>: many of us are active researchers in genetics, and relish the opportunity to apply our research tools to our own genomes. We'll be <b>releasing software code</b> allowing others to run the same analyses on their own data.</div> <div></div> <div>So, why on Earth are we doing this?</div> <div></div> <!--more--><p>I summarised some of the key motivations for members of the group in <a href="http://www.genomesunzipped.org/2010/10/our-genomes-unzipped.php">my Unzipped announcement post</a>: </p><div> </div> <ul><li>we want to share the results of scientific analysis of our own genomes, and as proponents of open data access most of us believe that <strong>doing good science means releasing complete data for others to investigate</strong>;<br /> </li> <li>we hope that releasing our data publicly will help to <strong>guide useful discussions about genetic privacy and the benefits, risks and limitations of genetic information in general</strong>;<br /> </li> <li>many of us believe that the ideal resource for genetic research is large open-access, non-anonymous research databases such as the Personal Genome Project, and that <strong>sharing linked genetic and trait information openly with the wider community is a public good</strong> - and we hope that our own experiences will encourage others to participate in open research projects;<br /> </li> <li>we all believe that <strong>many of the fears expressed about the dangers of genetic information are exaggerated</strong>, and see this project as an opportunity to have a constructive public discussion about the truth behind these fears;<br /> </li> <li>given the ease with which a dedicated snoop could obtain genetic information surreptitiously (via shed skin, hair or saliva, for instance), some of us argue that <strong>the whole notion of genetic privacy is illusory anyway</strong> - while releasing our data online makes it easier for people to get hold of it, this is a difference of degree rather than kind.</li> </ul><div>I wanted to spend a bit of time here expanding on that third point, as this is probably my own primary motivation for engaging in the project.</div> <div></div> <div>Any researcher working in genetics or genomics will be all too familiar with <b>the cumbersome bureaucratic obstacles associated with subject privacy and anonymity</b>. Under the traditional research model subject anonymity and data privacy must be protected fiercely, and that leads to substantial hurdles in two key areas: firstly, <b>data sharing between researchers is hindered</b> by the need to ensure that data privacy is maintained; and secondly, layers of protection on subject anonymity mean <b>it is extremely difficult to return research results to participants</b>, even when those results might have health implications.</div> <div></div> <div>This is not to say that huge advances in data access have not been made over the last decade, particularly in the field of genomics. Both individual researchers and funding bodies (notably the <a href="http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/">Wellcome Trust</a> and <a href="http://www.nih.gov/">NIH</a>) have done a commendable job of ensuring that many large genomics data-sets are made available to other researchers through large databases and data access agreements. </div> <div></div> <div>However, can we go further? Researchers such as George Church advocate a bold alternative model: <b>recruit research participants who are willing to share their data completely openly with the world</b>. Find large enough numbers of people willing to sacrifice their privacy for public good, and you suddenly have an amazingly powerful resource: a data-set that can be analysed by any researcher in the world with access to the internet, including participants who can play an active role in the research process.</div> <div></div> <div>It can't be emphasised enough just how powerful such a resource would be. Right now, virtually all human genetic and medical data is effectively locked away behind tight consent agreements. That means <b>a given data-set only has a certain number of eyes passing over it, with a restricted circle of expertise</b>; one cohort's data might contain valuable insights into the mechanisms by which cholesterol affects heart disease, but if the researchers holding the keys are eye specialists those will probably never be uncovered.</div> <div></div> <div><b>Science moves fastest when people from diverse backgrounds are allowed access to rich data-sets</b>. The closer we hew to the traditional model of tightly restricted access to human data, the slower we will uncover the associations we need to move into the era of personalised, evidence-based healthcare.</div> <div></div> <div>Are there enough people in the world willing to forego their privacy in the name of science? That remains to be seen, but flagship studies like the <a href="http://www.personalgenomes.org/">Personal Genome Project</a> - which seeks to <a href="http://www.personalgenomes.org/participate.html">recruit 100,000 volunteers</a> willing to share their genomes and clinical data with the world - are already suggesting that this number is far higher than many would have expected. However, visceral opposition to the idea of releasing such information - based often on an exaggerated sense of the power of genetic data, or its potential for abuse - continue to hold sway over the vast majority of the public.</div> <div></div> <div>We're under no illusions here: the data from the 12 of us in <a href="http://www.genomesunzipped.org/">Genomes Unzipped</a> aren't in and of themselves of tremendous scientific value. However, <b>if we can get people starting to think about the genuine public good that can be achieved by sharing their data with science, and to weigh that good against a realistic sense of the potential harms, then the project has been a success</b>.</div> <div></div> <div></div> <div><i><b>Edited 13/10/2010</b> to clarify that major progress has been made in data-sharing agreements over the last decade, especially in genomics - I apologise to anyone who interpreted my views as minimising the work that has been done in this area.</i></div> <div></div> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/sb-admin" lang="" about="/author/sb-admin" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sb admin</a></span> <span>Tue, 10/12/2010 - 02:45</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/uncategorized" hreflang="en">Uncategorized</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/23andme" hreflang="en">23andMe</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/anti-genism" hreflang="en">anti-genism</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/carrier-testing" hreflang="en">carrier testing</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/commercial-genetic-testing" hreflang="en">commercial genetic testing</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/counsyl" hreflang="en">counsyl</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/disease-genetics" hreflang="en">disease genetics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/diy-genetics" hreflang="en">diy genetics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/errors" hreflang="en">errors</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/fda" hreflang="en">FDA</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/genomes-unzipped" hreflang="en">genomes unzipped</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/genomic-medicine" hreflang="en">genomic medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/illumina" hreflang="en">illumina</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/informatics" hreflang="en">informatics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/luddism" hreflang="en">luddism</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/next-generation-sequencing-0" hreflang="en">next-generation sequencing</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/open-science" hreflang="en">open science</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/participant-driven-research" hreflang="en">participant-driven research</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/paternalism" hreflang="en">paternalism</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/personal-genome-project" hreflang="en">Personal Genome Project</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/personal-genomics" hreflang="en">personal genomics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/personal-utility" hreflang="en">personal utility</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/pre-natal-genetic-diagnosis" hreflang="en">pre-natal genetic diagnosis</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/risk-prediction" hreflang="en">risk prediction</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/transparency" hreflang="en">transparency</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/whole-genome-sequencing" hreflang="en">whole-genome sequencing</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/medicine" hreflang="en">Medicine</a></div> </div> </div> <section> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/geneticfuture/2010/10/12/why-im-releasing-my-genetic-da%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 12 Oct 2010 06:45:00 +0000 sb admin 71348 at https://www.scienceblogs.com Why I'm releasing my genetic data online https://www.scienceblogs.com/node/140452 <span>Why I&#039;m releasing my genetic data online</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/wp-content/blogs.dir/274/files/2012/04/i-7211f30e596305e81407f6284f71620c-gnz_logo.jpg" alt="i-7211f30e596305e81407f6284f71620c-gnz_logo.jpg" /></p><div></div> <div>Back in June I launched a new blog, <a href="http://www.genomesunzipped.org/">Genomes Unzipped</a>, together with a group of colleagues and friends with expertise in various areas of genetics. At the time I <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2010/07/announcing_genomes_unzipped_a.php">made a rather cryptic comment</a> about "planning much bigger things for the site over the next few months".</div> <div></div> <div>Today I announced what I meant by that: from today, <b>all of the 12 members of Genomes Unzipped - including my wife and I - will be releasing their own results from a variety of genetic tests, online, for anyone to access</b>. Initially those results consist of data from one company (<a href="https://www.23andme.com/">23andMe</a>) for all 12 members; <a href="http://www.decodeme.com/">deCODEme</a> for one member; and <a href="https://www.counsyl.com/">Counsyl</a> for two of us (my wife and I). As the project proceeds, we plan to obtain and release the results from a far wider range of genetic tests, up to and including complete genome sequences.</div> <div></div> <div>In all, the group is currently releasing over <b>7 million pieces of genetic data</b> mined from our own genomes. Anyone can <a href="http://www.genomesunzipped.org/data">download the data in raw form</a>, or view it on <a href="http://www.genomesunzipped.org/jbrowse/">a custom browser</a> that two of the group assembled using the open-source JBrowse software. Already the data is being used: blogger Dienekes yesterday published <a href="http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/10/running-euro-dna-calc-on.html">an analysis of our ancestry using his own program, EURO-DNA-CALC</a>.</div> <div></div> <div>We have plenty more planned over the next few weeks, including <b>discussion of the ethical issues associated with releasing data publicly</b>, especially given the potential impact on family members. We'll also be <b>presenting analyses of our own data</b>: many of us are active researchers in genetics, and relish the opportunity to apply our research tools to our own genomes. We'll be <b>releasing software code</b> allowing others to run the same analyses on their own data.</div> <div></div> <div>So, why on Earth are we doing this?</div> <div></div> <!--more--><p>I summarised some of the key motivations for members of the group in <a href="http://www.genomesunzipped.org/2010/10/our-genomes-unzipped.php">my Unzipped announcement post</a>: </p><div> </div> <ul><li>we want to share the results of scientific analysis of our own genomes, and as proponents of open data access most of us believe that <strong>doing good science means releasing complete data for others to investigate</strong>;<br /> </li> <li>we hope that releasing our data publicly will help to <strong>guide useful discussions about genetic privacy and the benefits, risks and limitations of genetic information in general</strong>;<br /> </li> <li>many of us believe that the ideal resource for genetic research is large open-access, non-anonymous research databases such as the Personal Genome Project, and that <strong>sharing linked genetic and trait information openly with the wider community is a public good</strong> - and we hope that our own experiences will encourage others to participate in open research projects;<br /> </li> <li>we all believe that <strong>many of the fears expressed about the dangers of genetic information are exaggerated</strong>, and see this project as an opportunity to have a constructive public discussion about the truth behind these fears;<br /> </li> <li>given the ease with which a dedicated snoop could obtain genetic information surreptitiously (via shed skin, hair or saliva, for instance), some of us argue that <strong>the whole notion of genetic privacy is illusory anyway</strong> - while releasing our data online makes it easier for people to get hold of it, this is a difference of degree rather than kind.</li> </ul><div>I wanted to spend a bit of time here expanding on that third point, as this is probably my own primary motivation for engaging in the project.</div> <div></div> <div>Any researcher working in genetics or genomics will be all too familiar with <b>the cumbersome bureaucratic obstacles associated with subject privacy and anonymity</b>. Under the traditional research model subject anonymity and data privacy must be protected fiercely, and that leads to substantial hurdles in two key areas: firstly, <b>data sharing between researchers is hindered</b> by the need to ensure that data privacy is maintained; and secondly, layers of protection on subject anonymity mean <b>it is extremely difficult to return research results to participants</b>, even when those results might have health implications.</div> <div></div> <div>This is not to say that huge advances in data access have not been made over the last decade, particularly in the field of genomics. Both individual researchers and funding bodies (notably the <a href="http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/">Wellcome Trust</a> and <a href="http://www.nih.gov/">NIH</a>) have done a commendable job of ensuring that many large genomics data-sets are made available to other researchers through large databases and data access agreements. </div> <div></div> <div>However, can we go further? Researchers such as George Church advocate a bold alternative model: <b>recruit research participants who are willing to share their data completely openly with the world</b>. Find large enough numbers of people willing to sacrifice their privacy for public good, and you suddenly have an amazingly powerful resource: a data-set that can be analysed by any researcher in the world with access to the internet, including participants who can play an active role in the research process.</div> <div></div> <div>It can't be emphasised enough just how powerful such a resource would be. Right now, virtually all human genetic and medical data is effectively locked away behind tight consent agreements. That means <b>a given data-set only has a certain number of eyes passing over it, with a restricted circle of expertise</b>; one cohort's data might contain valuable insights into the mechanisms by which cholesterol affects heart disease, but if the researchers holding the keys are eye specialists those will probably never be uncovered.</div> <div></div> <div><b>Science moves fastest when people from diverse backgrounds are allowed access to rich data-sets</b>. The closer we hew to the traditional model of tightly restricted access to human data, the slower we will uncover the associations we need to move into the era of personalised, evidence-based healthcare.</div> <div></div> <div>Are there enough people in the world willing to forego their privacy in the name of science? That remains to be seen, but flagship studies like the <a href="http://www.personalgenomes.org/">Personal Genome Project</a> - which seeks to <a href="http://www.personalgenomes.org/participate.html">recruit 100,000 volunteers</a> willing to share their genomes and clinical data with the world - are already suggesting that this number is far higher than many would have expected. However, visceral opposition to the idea of releasing such information - based often on an exaggerated sense of the power of genetic data, or its potential for abuse - continue to hold sway over the vast majority of the public.</div> <div></div> <div>We're under no illusions here: the data from the 12 of us in <a href="http://www.genomesunzipped.org/">Genomes Unzipped</a> aren't in and of themselves of tremendous scientific value. However, <b>if we can get people starting to think about the genuine public good that can be achieved by sharing their data with science, and to weigh that good against a realistic sense of the potential harms, then the project has been a success</b>.</div> <div></div> <div></div> <div><i><b>Edited 13/10/2010</b> to clarify that major progress has been made in data-sharing agreements over the last decade, especially in genomics - I apologise to anyone who interpreted my views as minimising the work that has been done in this area.</i></div> <div></div> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/dgmacarthur" lang="" about="/author/dgmacarthur" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dgmacarthur</a></span> <span>Tue, 10/12/2010 - 02:45</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/diy-genetics" hreflang="en">diy genetics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/genomes-unzipped" hreflang="en">genomes unzipped</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/open-science" hreflang="en">open science</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/participant-driven-research" hreflang="en">participant-driven research</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/personal-genome-project" hreflang="en">Personal Genome Project</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/transparency" hreflang="en">transparency</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/medicine" hreflang="en">Medicine</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462880" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1286910774"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Great work! But I have 2 questions.<br /> 1) Do you have to pay for our downloading through amazon s3?<br /> 2) How do we figure out the strand of genotypes? I am not seeing that information through the database query though php (eg: <a href="http://www.genomesunzipped.org/download/genotypes.php?chr=chr11&amp;id=rs490998">www.genomesunzipped.org/download/genotypes.php?chr=chr11&amp;id=rs490998</a>)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462880&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6UKQJu3eGVcRqshJMBBW4ufbNA6SNmDBofbxwoypaso"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">wei (not verified)</span> on 12 Oct 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462880">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462881" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1286916613"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Let me join the chorus of support. Agree that crowd-sourcing genetic data has tons of promise.</p> <p>On the other hand...a naysayer for the utility of current genomic tests (who could that be??) might argue that a detailed medical and family history with routine labs can tell as much or more about yourself than any SNP array.</p> <p>Are you going to release "regular" medical data too, or do you think the utility of SNP data would be eclipsed?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462881&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="sCKfB7WmnHWz9eQCGnWRY7GUglUG8p6SezXffcfsJ5E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://tomasson.tumblr.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Michael T. (not verified)</a> on 12 Oct 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462881">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="253" id="comment-2462882" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1286943184"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi wei,</p> <p>1. Yes, we do. Our costs are currently covered by a small grant from the <a href="http://www.phgfoundation.org/">PHG Foundation</a>, but we're actively looking for additional funding to cover expenses as the project ramps up.</p> <p>2. Good question: our long-term goal is to ensure that everything is mapped to the reference forward strand, but for the moment we should come up with some way of indicating strandedness. I'll look into it.</p> <p>Hi Michael,</p> <p>As you know, medical and family history (like current genetic data) can only tell you part of the story. Most individuals born with recessive Mendelian diseases have no family history of that disease, for instance. We see all of these sources of information as useful; even for many complex diseases (e.g. breast cancer), common variants from SNP scans are just as predictive by themselves as medical and family history combined.</p> <p>The project will focus on genetic data initially, simply because that's what we know: we don't yet have a clinician on board (although we'll be looking for volunteers). However, we'll also be discussing the areas where genetic predictions have limited utility - this won't just be an exercise in hyping the value of SNP data.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462882&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="cXsR5AW5X0Kj2_SalkTIrj54Ez9FwVhE3tC34VwejZI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/dgmacarthur" lang="" about="/author/dgmacarthur" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dgmacarthur</a> on 13 Oct 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462882">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/dgmacarthur"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/dgmacarthur" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462883" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1286949401"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@wei @Daniel</p> <p>All the SNPs in the GNZ database are mapped against the forward strand.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462883&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QbP_zfWNSMWfNhOHTdrjCqF12r0sIFKTaMx4UESmxyE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.genomesunzipped.org/author/luke-jostins" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Luke (not verified)</a> on 13 Oct 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462883">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462884" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1286965767"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Be careful when asking for volunteer clinicians - you never know who may turn up!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462884&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="YJPCtTsG9QpriplmvmJVqFpLEwm9XXPZGps3AknDL_0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eurogene.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Keith Grimaldi (not verified)</a> on 13 Oct 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462884">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462885" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1287032349"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>What I find amazing is the power that the synergy between the globalised communications network and the broad goals of new research at the heart of this endevour. To be able to amass a database of the genetic information of 100,000 people from across the world, available from anywhere is equally amazing as the content of that database.</p> <p>On a separate note, I am not entirely surprised that support for such a project is larger than anticiapted. If history has shown anything it is that people will put themselves forward for almost anything.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462885&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="d4RlwhfiSLi9462KzGpcxoILb5MaxSqJk0bB8jiVkeo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://invitrogen-select.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">James (not verified)</a> on 14 Oct 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462885">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462886" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1287954487"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>my concern is about the impact (or consent) of publishing your genome and clinical info on your children. Even more when both parents are publishing it. I agree that the fears of publishing genomic information are exagerated, it is just a question that somehow we are publishing also their information.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462886&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jfvW4_60Nkp7EdMFhfVYl1EfkSgfbARt45M2nHSUwHE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ferran (not verified)</span> on 24 Oct 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462886">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462887" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1288364548"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Great idea - another advantage is that seeing what the raw data looks like may encourage some of us to take the plunge and join a service like 23andme. It is hard to judge from their website what a full dataset looks like and how easy it is to find specific information.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462887&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NdtPDmnBk3FmPqeOKX-KPzBj82mVO44YSNmeH5g6EPc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gerard Crotty (not verified)</span> on 29 Oct 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462887">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462888" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289262030"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi Daniel<br /> I would like to include my 23 and me data if you want it. I already make it available to students and I recently offered access to my account to the audience at the World Congress of Psychiatric Genetics after listening to some eminent colleagues batting on about the dangers of direct to consumer genomics.<br /> No one took me up on the offer.<br /> Simon</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462888&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CII1uat0GKzmQNQ77pXyprwhA_o8m0eb0qMgaz3NpWw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Simon Easteal (not verified)</span> on 08 Nov 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462888">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462889" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289988079"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I love this site, it's so interesting to see how the genetic world is developing in this area. My friend and I started a forum after he got his genes tested with 23andme, after we had some long discussion about what he was getting into and how we were worried about the larger implications for the rest of society. Its not on the same scale as this project, but it would be great to meet any like minded people who wanted a chat on the subject, <a href="http://www.genetic-testing-forum.com">genetic testing</a> forum.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462889&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="sHFeEacIgM68MhhmoIu_at9XJRSBgkxhAMSbsiIeWH4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.genetic-testing-forum.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Neil (not verified)</a> on 17 Nov 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462889">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/node/140452%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 12 Oct 2010 06:45:00 +0000 dgmacarthur 140452 at https://www.scienceblogs.com A short but glorious rant https://www.scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2009/11/24/a-short-but-glorious-rant <span>A short but glorious rant</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><div>Misha Angrist has <a href="http://genomeboy.com/2009/11/24/personal-genomics-agonistes/">a very brief but eloquent rant</a> in response to the genomics nay-sayers in <a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091123/full/462401a.html">this Nature News piece</a> on the bankruptcy of deCODE Genetics.</div> <div></div> <div>Here's a taste:</div> <div></div> <blockquote><p>I agree: GWAS is of limited value and this probably contributed to deCODE's demise. But whatever deCODE's fate, if whole human genomes can be sequenced for &lt; $2000, isn't it about time we stopped kicking GWAS's ever-stiffening corpse? Second, just because something is not a medical necessity, does it follow that it is worthless?</p></blockquote> <div><a href="http://genomeboy.com/2009/11/24/personal-genomics-agonistes/">Here's the rest</a>.</div> <div></div> <div></div> <div><a type="application/rss+xml" href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/scienceblogs/geneticfuture"></a><a href="editor-content.html?cs=utf-8"><img alt="rss-icon-16x16.jpg" src="http://www.feedburner.com/fb/images/pub/feed-icon16x16.png" height="16" width="16" /></a> <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/scienceblogs/geneticfuture">Subscribe to Genetic Future</a>. <br /><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/wp-content/blogs.dir/274/files/2012/04/i-1e8735341225e739a7862450baf40589-twitter-icon-16x16.jpg" alt="i-1e8735341225e739a7862450baf40589-twitter-icon-16x16.jpg" /> <a href="http://twitter.com/dgmacarthur">Follow Daniel on Twitter</a></div> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/dgmacarthur" lang="" about="/author/dgmacarthur" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dgmacarthur</a></span> <span>Tue, 11/24/2009 - 12:30</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/decode-genetics" hreflang="en">decode genetics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/direct-consumer-genetic-testing" hreflang="en">direct-to-consumer genetic testing</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/participant-driven-research" hreflang="en">participant-driven research</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/personal-genomics" hreflang="en">personal genomics</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462160" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1259115520"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i><b> if whole human genomes can be sequenced for $2000, isn't it about time we stopped kicking GWAS's ever-stiffening corpse? </b></i></p> <p>Does she just mean hey-- let's forget about it it's old news? Well on the one hand there are still plenty of me too GWAS studies appearing last time I looked. </p> <p>On the other hand perhaps our experience of GWAS should inform how we continue with genome sequencing.</p> <p><i><b>Second, just because something is not a medical necessity, does it follow that it is worthless?<i><b></b></i></b></i></p> <p>No, but no-one is making this strong statement. Rather they are making a statement questioning it's cost benefit ratio (i.e. high cost little benefit). My own feelings are that the initial GWAS studies were important and pioneering but once it became clear that they seldom uncovered key or medically useful heritable traits, then its use should have diminished as the costs should have been seen to outweigh the benefits of spending the money on other approaches.</p> <p>Clearly however Nature Genetics feel that if something was expensive, high-tech- and time consuming then it belongs in their journal regardless of the interest of the result.</p> <p>Regarding WGS its clear that this is very powerful for finding high penetrance mutations at relatively low cost. Pioneering studies will no doubt tell us how good it is at finding low or medium penetrance variants from large banks of patients. Once we know we should sit down and question whether we have got value for money before pursuing this willy nilly for the next 5 years.<br /></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462160&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-XMER6TQYLBV71HtgJQA-iUHk8gY6o5ZOMTbmwVfMGc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Stephen (not verified)</span> on 24 Nov 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462160">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462161" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1259144797"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi Stephen:</p> <p>First, a slight correction: Now that I've had my genome sequenced, I can say definitively that I do indeed have a Y chromosome, however humble and shrinking it may be (I'd hate to have to change my blog to "GenomeGirl" at this stage of the game).</p> <p>1) I think it's important to distinguish between GWAS as research and GWAS as a means to make solid predictions about traits in the absence of other information. I'm saying that to keep belittling GWAS for its failure to deliver the latter has, IMHO, become tedious. Maybe I read the New England Journal too much. </p> <p>2) "No one is making this strong statement." I would need more than two hands to count the number of clinical geneticists I've interviewed for my book, seminars and meetings I've attended, and screeds I've read that either explicitly say or insinuate that, for the moment, personal genomics is essentially worthless. I'd be happy to send you a reading list. </p> <p>3) "Value for money"...Prior to the launch of the Human Genome Project, the critics complained that the HGP would be too expensive and deprive small science (aka "real science") of scarce resources. Today, despite genuine disappointment in genome-based drug development, diagnostics, GWAS etc., I'm hard-pressed to find anyone complaining about the $3 billion we spent on the HGP. I'd say that at $2000 a pop, pursuing WGS "willy nilly" is exactly what we should be doing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462161&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FFcZsCvnOG71LycCUHzDmuRslDDAlAw-yJ9fF4SP87w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://genomeboy.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Misha (not verified)</a> on 25 Nov 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462161">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462162" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1259161235"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The problem with GWA studies is that they have been done by geneticists with very little account of epidemiological principles eg misclassification, confounding and the effects of incomplete penetrance. To collect thousands of cases and believe that these represent the same gene effects is far too simplistic. The cases should be subclassified based on biochemical, histological or physiological grounds - not all breast cancer is the same disease and different genes will be relevant. To then gather controls (ie someone not affected) in the belief this will represent those not genetically disposed to the disease in question is too stupid for words. None of these studies have considered the role of environment on gene penetrance. This means the controls are a mix of peolple who might some day get the disease in question or someone with susceptibility genes who has not had sufficient environmental exposure for their genotype to express the illness. The controls in these studies are poorly selected, poorly defined and full of potential cases. Defining cases based on a "clinical diagnosis" is according doctors far more in sight into disease pathophysiology than they deserve. Until GWA studies are better designed using better phenotypes, then they will fall far short of their potential.</p> <p>Rob</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462162&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KyTYmTNiAfUOg-K7qjrwzj_o5i7s7_3rqqBFByJSh5E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">rob (not verified)</span> on 25 Nov 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462162">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462163" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1259203115"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Misha<br /> Apologies for misinterpreting your name.<br /> 1) Despite your clarification I'm confused as to your meaning. GWAS means 'genome wide association study'-- which take at least hundreds and more likely thousands of cases. Personal genomics seems to be what you mean.<br /> 2) I'm unconcerned by people who want to have a SNP chip done for them. Personally I see it as an interesting medical curiosity but -- except in very rare cases--you would get far more predictive info from a few simple blood tests.<br /> 3) The human genome project is nothing like GWAS. The first was a pioneering project that invented all our modern sequencing technologies, made possible all high throughput techniques and produced a blueprint for us to compare all personal genomics against. Likewise the HapMap project, the ENCODE project, and even the 1000 genomes project are all important pioneering attempts to understand variation and meaning within the genome. GWAS for weak heritable traits is just flogging a dead horse. My fear is that even if WGS proves equally poor at finding the 'missing heritability' we will continue to flog the dead horse -- but with a new whip.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462163&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nIauPb9wqoUm9oikX-2mK_aK4RGfgnR2uL7Wi-BYxP0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Stephen (not verified)</span> on 25 Nov 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462163">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="253" id="comment-2462164" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1259216868"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Rob,</p> <p>So your argument is that the major problems with GWAS are:</p> <p>1. Incomplete penetrance of disease risk variants;<br /> 2. Heterogeneity of disease phenotype in cases;<br /> 3. Presence of unknown disease cases in control cohorts; and<br /> 4. Gene by environment interactions.</p> <p>Every single one of these issues is discussed at length in the GWAS literature. In some cases (e.g. incomplete penetrance) the issue is explicitly accounted for in the analysis of GWAS data, while in others (e.g. presence of cryptic disease cases in the control cohort) the magnitude of the problem has been modelled and shown to have relatively small effects on power for most diseases. Disease heterogeneity is being tackled by increasingly more sophisticated endophenotype analyses. Gene by environment interactions will be extremely difficult to tease out, but a lot of ink has been spilled on this issue in the literature, and very large longitudinal cohort studies will provide data to help start teasing these things out.</p> <p>There are plenty of problems facing GWAS, just as there are for any other scientific technique. However, <b>the notion that these problems are being ignored by the researchers doing the studies is totally false</b>.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462164&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rXEVrWUUTaAMsjR6YUuGQMQoacWBavafDpXcvIv_xU8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/dgmacarthur" lang="" about="/author/dgmacarthur" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dgmacarthur</a> on 26 Nov 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462164">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/dgmacarthur"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/dgmacarthur" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462165" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1259236536"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>GWAS for weak heritable traits is just flogging a dead horse.</i></p> <p>The heritability of a trait has little to do with the underlying genetic architecture. Recall that human height has a heritability of ~80%, but it influenced by many loci of small effect, while (for example) macular degeneration has lower heritability (see twin study <a href="http://archopht.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/123/3/321">here</a>--50% concordance for MZ twins, and 25% concordance for DZ twins) but is influenced by at least one locus of large effect. </p> <p>It a trait is heritable, the only way to see what the genetics underlying it is like is to look (more or less).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462165&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="S-zYa2X853pBgRPeZRnJL-Y1cPj0tkYDcwlnORCGMCM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.gnxp.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">p-ter (not verified)</a> on 26 Nov 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462165">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462166" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1259237422"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Dear All, </p> <p>1. In spite of the tremendous efforts carried out by the scentific and very clever medical communities during centuries, the pathogenesis of complex diseases is mostly unknown.<br /> 2. GWAS is a consequence, and essentially derived, from the Human genome project. To date is the most powerful (and unbiased) strategy to pick up genes for complex diseases.<br /> 3. GWAS is based on epidemiological and statistical methods and theories (the same technologies employed to discover the relationships between smoking and lung cancer)<br /> 4. We are facing with a huge amount of data and variables and we are looking for the best methods to organize and integrate the information. The idea is to improve the knowledge of many complex traits. This is the true challenge irrespective you are employing hundred thousand variables (GWAS) or complete genomes (3 billion variables per individual).<br /> 5. Most of GWAS researchers are working into a multidisciplinary teams ie integrating clinical, molecular, epidemiology, statistical, informatics, mathematics researchers.<br /> 6. Genetics research is not panacea for medicine is just a novel technology that HAVE TO HELP US to improve the management of disease and health states.<br /> 7. So we are not flogging a dead horse, we are just applying new technologies (as usual in medical research) to discover whether or not that new methods can help us to prevent, diagnose and treat medical problems without any solutions to date.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462166&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="t-d9GcxE6uZbYHIs8EfTfymqQP1NpoPg229NmgqVcCk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.neocodex.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Agustin Ruiz MD PhD (not verified)</a> on 26 Nov 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462166">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462167" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1259245919"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>GWAS was originally used to discover genes that are involved in complex diseases. The facts show that it does this job superbly, over 200 new loci were "discovered" in the last few years compared to less than a hundred discovered in the last 30 years. This gives a lot of new targets for researcher to conduct research about how these new loci are functionally linked to the diseases.</p> <p>We should expect that as the sample size of GWAS increases, we will have the statistical power to detect rarer variants that can cause diseases. I believe that then more heritability can then be explained. </p> <p>But if you are talking about applying GWAS results to personal genomics, then that's another story. But this is not what GWAS was set out to do in the first place.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462167&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="i37jvBBh3eKblmsNXC_deFUVkdcgHkFeS5L2ygEL08o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Geneticist from the East">Geneticist fro… (not verified)</span> on 26 Nov 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462167">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462168" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1259355305"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>In regards to the above comments, which company offers a $2,000 fully sequenced human genome?</p> <p>I really, really like the Single Molecule Sequencing approach (<a href="http://www.helicosbio.com/">http://www.helicosbio.com/</a>), given how important micro RNAs are to protein expression. When might this technology be available for the masses (the $1,000 personal genome)? </p> <p>I have A LOT of relatives with cancer and severe cardiovascular disease, despite a healthy lifestyle... after a lot of genetics courses including human pedigrees, I am anxious to know my genome.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462168&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="lUTRydOngsXM0lpqeo1Zlv1dOHX55pG_AYmA4n7lV2o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="PhD student, cancer caregiver">PhD student, c… (not verified)</span> on 27 Nov 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462168">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="253" id="comment-2462169" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1259403989"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The $2000 figure is misleading - Complete Genomics recently reported sequencing a human genome at this cost, but the figure only includes reagent costs. The cheapest <b>retail</b> whole genome sequence currently available is <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2009/06/illumina_launches_personal_gen.php">$48,000 from Illumina</a>, but it's likely that sequencing will become available for well below $10,000 in 2010.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462169&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="zMrHKFvixBo9EA3UbHyQO8ewducBoJjfu2Zr6MpOcPI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/dgmacarthur" lang="" about="/author/dgmacarthur" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dgmacarthur</a> on 28 Nov 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462169">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/dgmacarthur"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/dgmacarthur" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462170" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1259436467"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I would concede that if we're talking about a whole euchromatic human genome sequence then yes, $2000 is still misleading. But if Knome is doing exomes for $24k, I expect that DIYbio types will be doing their own exomes within a year. I don't think anyone doubts Daniel's prediction. </p> <p>The other point that bears making is that if we're talking about finding disease susceptibility genes, a whole genome is probably gratuitous in most cases. I would bet dollars to donuts that if you asked someone working on your favorite common disease what genomic data would be most useful to have from patients, she would be more likely to want sequence from a list of 50 or 100 or 1000 genes than a complete diploid sequence at high coverage.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462170&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="75buBh8nYYaA9M--N5C87QFyigGDu5dWFGcwlplBLAc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://genomeboy.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Misha (not verified)</a> on 28 Nov 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462170">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462171" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1259525459"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>We're all becoming cyborgs anyway. Rant or no.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462171&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="I1pvAf9rDLrAnHw_c5SnwZhKLFOdWqMtQ1yNNaMSvrc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://freelancemd.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Freelance MD (not verified)</a> on 29 Nov 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462171">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462172" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1259584825"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thanks to Misha and Daniel for these great posts. </p> <p>I have to point out to Stephen (who apologized for "misinterpreting" Misha's name) that the name Misha is an extremely common male nickname for Michael or Mikhail in Russia and elsewhere - similar to Mike here in the US. It helps to pay attention.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462172&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QSSrE8ulLdFYMnTQULuNGmCoam3XWxiGt8T8WF96uIg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Allison Williams Dobson">Allison Willia… (not verified)</span> on 30 Nov 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462172">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462173" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1260984179"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A friend told me about this link. Looks like deCODE is not fully dead by now.</p> <p>www decodeme com / data-upload</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462173&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="MU1-WvMiDbEVDdZrCct-ocDomv0ahAyYt0d-idsWNuc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.decodeme.com/data-upload" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Salvador (not verified)</a> on 16 Dec 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462173">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462174" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1265772894"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>What are the lessons we can learn from deCODEme's demise?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462174&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="kO3KnOoRpbvyc3Bo2_UYOIMMU_zmMX7mS1ibBkkN800"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.genediagnostics.co.za/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jacobus Eksteen (not verified)</a> on 09 Feb 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462174">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/geneticfuture/2009/11/24/a-short-but-glorious-rant%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:30:00 +0000 dgmacarthur 140379 at https://www.scienceblogs.com 23andMe presents novel genetic associations at American Society of Human Genetics meeting https://www.scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2009/10/25/23andme-presents-novel-genetic <span>23andMe presents novel genetic associations at American Society of Human Genetics meeting</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It's been an intensive week of genomics here at the <a href="http://www.ashg.org/2009meeting/">American Society of Human Genetics meeting</a>, and I haven't been able to grab time to blog as much as I'd have liked. In fact there's a whole load of genomics news I'll be trying to cover in some detail over the next couple of weeks; for the moment, though, I couldn't let <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2009/10/off_to_hawaii.php">today's presentation</a> from personal genomics company <a href="https://www.23andme.com/">23andMe</a> go by without at least some comment. (For other coverage of the conference, do check out <a href="http://www.genetic-inference.co.uk/blog/">Luke Jostins' blog coverage</a> and <a href="http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23ashg2009">the stream of live analysis on Twitter</a>.)</p> <p>The 23andMe presenter (Nick Eriksson) delivered an overview of the potential of the 23andMe cohort for association studies: all 23andMe customers have genetic information for over 500,000 common genetic variants, and they are also encouraged to provide self-reported phenotype data on a wide range of traits ranging from the presence of detached earlobes to longitudinal tracking of Parkinson's disease symptoms. Eriksson reported that the company now had sufficient numbers of returned surveys to perform genome-wide association studies for 22 traits, with sample sizes ranging between 2500 and 6000 individuals - reasonable sample sizes for an initial look at the genetic architecture of a complex trait.</p> <p>The company seems to be doing a reasonable job of identifying and controlling for the various potential confounders that plague genome-wide association studies, such as population structure. However, 23andMe faces an unusual challenge that standard academic GWAS consortia don't: <strong>the possibility that a subject will give a biased trait report after seeing their own genetic data</strong>. </p> <!--more--><p>This was powerfully illustrated by results from the "athlete gene" ACTN3 (a gene <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180686/?tool=pubmed">close to my own heart</a>). There was no association between the athletic performance-associated variant in this gene and self-reported sprinter/endurance preference in individuals who hadn't seen their genetic data - but <strong>in individuals who <em>had </em>already seen their genotype there was a marked shift towards carriers of the "sprint" or "endurance" allele self-identifying with those respective categories</strong>. In other words, people were altering their self-reported athletic affiliation on the basis of their genotype; Eriksson estimated that around 25% of individuals must be shifting their self-identification to explain the effect, a staggeringly large number.</p> <p>Eriksson played down the potential impact of this effect, but this is still a rather worrying finding for a company relying on self-reported (and often quite subjective) phenotype data from a customer base that has often peeked at their genetic data before ever filling in a survey; at the very least there is potential for inflation of apparent association with known markers already in the 23andMe database. One way around this might be to provide some kind of incentive for customers to complete phenotype surveys before they ever see their genotype data, perhaps by providing discounts on future product updates.</p> <p>Aside from this niggling concern, the major message from the talk is that <strong>23andMe's approach works in terms of generating genome-wide significant associations for complex traits</strong>: the company has successfully replicated a series of known associations with eye, skin and hair colour, for instance. More interestingly, 23andMe has also nailed down a handful of genuinely novel genetic associations: a massively significant association between an olfactory receptor region and "asparagus anosmia" (the inability to smell asparagus in one's own urine), and two regions associated with hair curl. </p> <p>These traits seem pretty trivial, but this is precisely the sort of area where 23andMe will be able to out-compete academic consortia, and these types of associations are also extremely (perhaps perversely) attractive to personal genomics customers; it's just cool to be able to see the region of the genome that underlies a trait you can see in yourself, and to follow the inheritance of these traits through a family. These types of associations won't contribute to clinical genetics, but they are likely to non-trivially boost 23andMe's appeal to consumers.</p> <p>Will 23andMe be able to uncover novel associations with a greater relevance to disease genetics? I suspect their impact here will be much more modest, at least in the near future; academic consortia are generally vastly more well-powered to pick up disease risk associations given their more stringent quality control and phenotype definitions. However, it's important not to underestimate the importance of 23andMe's ability to recruit and maintain an active base of participants, and their Facebook-like viral marketing appeal (in which customers have an incentive to recruit other people). This may make it possible for 23andMe to tap long-term phenotypic change, such as the progression of symptoms in patients suffering from diseases such as Parkinson's.</p> <p>It's been interesting to watch the perception of the genomics community towards 23andMe shift over time. There's still some hostility out there - and indeed, the first question directed towards Erikson was a needlessly combative and rather incoherent question about the ascertainment bias in 23andMe's sample towards wealthier individuals - but the strangeness of the 23andMe model is starting to wear off, and presentations like this one will no doubt help to convince scientists that this is a company that at least is capable of doing solid science.</p> <p>There's one other small nugget of data worth mentioning. It's always been hard to get a solid estimate of the number of customers in 23andMe's database, but we now have a conservative lower bound: <strong>the company has at least 6,000 unrelated individuals of European ancestry enrolled who have taken phenotype surveys</strong>, suggesting a total active (i.e. engaged in phenotype surveys) customer base substantially higher than this. I don't think this number would surprise many regular readers, but it's a useful antidote to the sorts of ridiculously low recruitment numbers I've heard quoted by personal genomics critics.</p> <p><a type="application/rss+xml" href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/scienceblogs/geneticfuture"></a><a href=""><img alt="rss-icon-16x16.jpg" src="http://www.feedburner.com/fb/images/pub/feed-icon16x16.png" width="16" height="16" /></a> <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/scienceblogs/geneticfuture">Subscribe to Genetic Future</a>. <br /><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/wp-content/blogs.dir/274/files/2012/04/i-1e8735341225e739a7862450baf40589-twitter-icon-16x16.jpg" alt="i-1e8735341225e739a7862450baf40589-twitter-icon-16x16.jpg" /> <a href="http://twitter.com/dgmacarthur">Follow Daniel on Twitter</a>.</p> <p> </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/dgmacarthur" lang="" about="/author/dgmacarthur" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dgmacarthur</a></span> <span>Sun, 10/25/2009 - 00:30</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/23andme" hreflang="en">23andMe</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ashg2009" hreflang="en">ashg2009</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/consumer-driven-research" hreflang="en">consumer-driven research</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/direct-consumer-genetic-testing" hreflang="en">direct-to-consumer genetic testing</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/genetics-normal-variation" hreflang="en">genetics of normal variation</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/genome-wide-association-studies" hreflang="en">genome-wide association studies</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/participant-driven-research" hreflang="en">participant-driven research</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/personal-genomics" hreflang="en">personal genomics</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/social-sciences" hreflang="en">Social Sciences</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462084" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1256453877"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh, damn, sorry to have not realized you were there. I would have tried to meet you. </p> <p>We were even in that room at the same time because I had the same take on that question :)</p> <p>I thought of you on another occasion when one of the talks I was in specifically had a "do not tweet" request, and I was wondering how that was being handled in other rooms.</p> <p>Alas.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462084&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Pv4HRM271EmDXsvoiXKXtxGv7zZ_VNxhA3ZWGPzy2gw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.openhelix.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mary (not verified)</a> on 25 Oct 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462084">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462085" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1256471777"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>If you want "strange," try visiting<br /><a href="http://ytmnd.com/">http://ytmnd.com/</a><br /> now go to <a href="http://23andme.com">http://23andme.com</a> in another tab. Click around.<br /> Now go back to <a href="http://ytmnd.com">http://ytmnd.com</a></p> <p>23andMe advertisements will appear from federatedmedia.net</p> <p>So this leads to two interesting questions:</p> <p>1) Is 23andMe selling user data to attention brokers to deliver more targeted advertising?</p> <p>2) If this is good for users ---and I'm willing to entertain the notion--- then why isn't Google selling the advertising, but instead, "federatedmedia.net"? What does Google know about 23andMe that others do not?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462085&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XKlRC9qIwXxOWWIkOFETKaP7MHOp4jnbq3K_QBDR1Fw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://thinkgene.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Andrew Yates (not verified)</a> on 25 Oct 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462085">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462086" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1256482012"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I agree with your comments regarding the utility of the 23andMe setup - they are excellently positioned to do the type of studies which academic institutions will never get direct funding (such as hair curl - fantastic!) As you say, they are very unlikely to be able to offer much help in the effort to identify human disease associations. Academic institutions with access to clinical samples are able to ascertain many more case individuals than population based ascertainment. For the most common diseases (where they will be able to recruit the greatest number of case individuals), heterogeneity is likely to pose a major problem. High quality subphenotype data will probably to be needed to delineate this heterogeneity, and unfortunately 23andMe are unlikely to be able to obtain this information accurately.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462086&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7Snt1XUCbu6IvVx-nCI7pCibRTFN1_Xn7Q3A2Ebnamc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Carl (not verified)</span> on 25 Oct 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462086">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462087" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1256484163"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I wonder what journal will publish non-IRB approved human research? Will any clinical journal publish?<br /> -Steve</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462087&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="E5HvpP3sMNpdTKbcV77BXA93UaWnO6c4TuIOCkHhddw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://Www.thegenesherpa.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Steven Murphy MD (not verified)</a> on 25 Oct 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462087">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462088" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1256503414"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>For several reasons, the effect of seeing one's ACTN3 genotype on self-reported running ability is likely to be much much larger than for most self-reported phenotype data. Most people have never run at a professional level, so they are unlikely to know whether they are natural sprinters or endurance athletes. The question, are you a natural sprinter or an endurance athlete, requires the person to make an inference based on numerous diverse experiences. For example, the person needs to decide what it means to be a natural sprinter or a natural endurance athlete. They also need to make an inference about the reference population. How does my sprinting ability compare to the average person's sprinting ability? Because this type of question asks the person to draw upon numerous past experience and infer a complex and under-defined trait relative to an subjectively defined reference population, responses are likely to be especially susceptible to suggestion.</p> <p>For most of the self-reported data gathered by 23andme, such as whether one's hair is curly or straight, this is not the case.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462088&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0pxXaf2nz7TnrhdXqugkct3z_fobr6-SgK5oTQBLe9U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Amy (not verified)</span> on 25 Oct 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462088">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462089" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1256546147"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Wow Steve, you've got a lot of nerve showing up here after you <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2009/10/23andme_performs_genome-wide_a.php#comment-1998822">accused Daniel</a> of talking out his "A$$" in a scientific publication and called his ACTN3 work "swill", a "crappy study designed to get on the cover of magazines", and "hype".</p> <p>I'm glad we have such an "honest" person here to "compensate" for all the hooey!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462089&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="sH9JceZ_EnfHoxE_YMZCvhXEGvqaMj1hCPXybBtpf7E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sparky (not verified)</span> on 26 Oct 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462089">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462090" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1256554247"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Dear Madam/Sir:</p> <p>Genetic Future is doing an admirable job bringing the recent developments in human genetics to its readers. I would like to bring the following to your kind attention. Perhaps it may be interesting to some of your colleagues.</p> <p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1931757,00.html">http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1931757,00.html</a></p> <p><a href="http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2009/1022/1">http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2009/1022/1</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162933.htm">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019162933.htm</a></p> <p>Best wishes,</p> <p>- Govindaraju</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462090&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9HVMPgB8iCPaREAG5TwSxuPu20qw1_bMCCSyxDYXaow"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Diddahally Govindaraju">Diddahally Gov… (not verified)</span> on 26 Oct 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462090">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="253" id="comment-2462091" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1256625786"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hey sparky,</p> <p>Firstly, ;-) at the obscure but amusing reference in your name...</p> <p>Secondly, Steve is welcome to keep on talking here as often as he likes. Steve's name came up a number of times at the ASHG meeting, and it appears he's done a pretty spectacular job of disqualifying himself from being taken seriously by virtually any of his potential allies among the genomics community. So long as he's willing to keep shooting himself in the foot, I'm happy to keep providing the firing range...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462091&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="eH_qRRaZrPwiXQe1rMHvUSzmvPGtxOwbl7tkL_9aWh0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/dgmacarthur" lang="" about="/author/dgmacarthur" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dgmacarthur</a> on 27 Oct 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462091">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/dgmacarthur"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/dgmacarthur" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="253" id="comment-2462092" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1256626152"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hey Amy,</p> <p>I tend to agree with you - I certainly don't think this potential bias kills the 23andMe model for association. It's most likely to have an effect in cases where 23andMe scientists are trying to use their customers to validate known variants associated with somewhat subjective traits; in such cases they would be expected to see a marked inflation of the associations. In terms of discovery of new variants, on the other hand, the effect will probably be pretty small.</p> <p>However, even for the most sensitive associations, so long as 23andMe can encourage a sufficiently large proportion of its customers to fill in phenotype surveys before receiving their genetic data they can always restrict their association studies to these users (who will be free of bias).</p> <p>So: an interesting and novel source of bias, but not one that will seriously undermine 23andMe's capacity to identify novel genetic associations.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462092&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6VyQwBE7Q2SfrhUbME0vQ8ri8q1mTN7XMfw8AVtBCTw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/dgmacarthur" lang="" about="/author/dgmacarthur" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dgmacarthur</a> on 27 Oct 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462092">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/dgmacarthur"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/dgmacarthur" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2462093" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1256640565"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Carl @3 is showing an excess of manners. </p> <p>Perhaps 2,500 to 6,000 subjects sounds like enough to do something clinically relevant, because those are the sort of numbers that have been going into GWAS studies.</p> <p>However, GWAS are <b>cohort</b> (case/control) studies - where perhaps half the subjects have been cherry-picked to have a particular disease.</p> <p>There is a reason why <b>prospective</b> genetic studies (like the <a href="http://www.ukbiobank.ac.uk/">UK Biobank</a>) are set up to include 100,000s of subjects - and that is because most "common" diseases are not, actually, that common. </p> <p>As an example, without targeted recruitment, the number of subjects in a population sample of 6,000 people who would expect to develop Parkinson's disease - eventually - is perhaps 4-8.</p> <p>Which isn't to say prospective studies don't have their place in genetics - see:</p> <p><a href="http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v7/n10/full/nrg1919.html">http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v7/n10/full/nrg1919.html</a><br /> Teri A. Manolio, Joan E. Bailey-Wilson and Francis S. Collins (2009)<br /> Genes, environment and the value of prospective cohort studies<br /> Nature Reviews Genetics 7, 812-820 (October 2006) | doi:10.1038/nrg1919</p> <p>which has some cracking tables to show what you would have to do, if you were really going to do this properly.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2462093&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="yGM62Z1K9hFhLbebUDuVM9e6X0gn98x6gTdMzusTT3k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Neil (not verified)</span> on 27 Oct 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2462093">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/geneticfuture/2009/10/25/23andme-presents-novel-genetic%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:30:26 +0000 dgmacarthur 140368 at https://www.scienceblogs.com 23andMe offers free genome scans to 4,500 senior athletes, seeking genetic fountain of youth https://www.scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2009/08/12/23andme-doing-free-genetic-tes <span>23andMe offers free genome scans to 4,500 senior athletes, seeking genetic fountain of youth</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A <a href="http://twitter.com/23andMe/status/3269923680">tweet</a> from personal genomics company <a href="https://www.23andme.com/">23andMe</a> (see screenshot below) sparked my interest: </p><div></div> <div><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/wp-content/blogs.dir/274/files/2012/04/i-d91d78f4a03335c1a26d28c866997fad-23andme-4500-senior-athletes_tweet.jpg" alt="i-d91d78f4a03335c1a26d28c866997fad-23andme-4500-senior-athletes_tweet.jpg" /></div> <div></div> <div>I knew 23andMe had been successful in recruiting Parkinsons patients as part of <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2009/03/consumer-driven_genomic_resear.php">its targeted drive</a>, and the 337 unspecified "patients" are the product of their broader recruitment drive for diseased genomes, <a href="https://www.23andme.com/researchrevolution/">Research Revolution</a> (which I've <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2009/07/23andme_launches_new_effort_to.php">dissected in a previous post</a>) - but the athletes were news to me.</div> <div></div> <div>A little Google-trawling revealed (see page 15 of <a href="http://www.paloaltoonline.com/media/reports/1249401717.pdf">this PDF</a> article from Palo Alto Online) that <b>23andMe offered free genome scans to all of the participants in the currently ongoing </b><a href="http://www.2009seniorgames.org/"><b>Palo Alto Senior Games</b></a>, a massive sporting event that only permits participants over the age of 50.</div> <div></div> <div>Here's a picture of the 23andMe booth at the games, courtesy of <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/39640528@N05/3811502423/sizes/o/">the event's official Flickr page</a>:</div> <div></div> <!--more--><div><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/39640528@N05/3811502423/sizes/o/" style="text-decoration: underline; "><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/wp-content/blogs.dir/274/files/2012/04/i-36174a47082da3329f41fa26f39709cd-flickr_23andme-senior-athletes-booth.jpg" alt="i-36174a47082da3329f41fa26f39709cd-flickr_23andme-senior-athletes-booth.jpg" /></a></div> <div></div> <div>Giving away 4,500 free genome scans is a pretty heavy investment - at the current retail price of $399 per kit, that's an astonishing <b>$1.8 million worth of testing</b>. What does 23andMe expect in return? From the Palo Alto Online article:</div> <div></div> <div> <div> <blockquote>23andme did not target the 2009 Senior Games solely for its numbers, but because <b>the company wants to find the genetic factors for healthy aging</b>, [23andMe spokesman Rajiv] Mahadevan said. What's better than some 12,000 healthy, active athletes all over age 50? <p>The beautiful thing about this group is that they epitomize healthy living," Mahadevan said.</p></blockquote> </div> <div>Basically, 23andMe is looking for the genetic secrets to a healthy, active old age, and they're willing to spend a hefty chunk of money to get it. They haven't simply relied on the attraction of free stuff to attract participants, either - here's their highly targeted advertisement to Games participants, placed strategically below the Palo Alto Online article linked above:</div> <div></div> <div> <form mt:asset-id="17458" class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 1em; font-weight: normal; display: inline; "><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/wp-content/blogs.dir/274/files/2012/04/i-ce6030d80cf23822cb0cea49d86a454c-palo-alto-online_23andme-senior-athletes-ad.jpg" alt="i-ce6030d80cf23822cb0cea49d86a454c-palo-alto-online_23andme-senior-athletes-ad.jpg" /></form> </div> <div></div> <div>Now, it would be easy to portray this strategy in sinister tones - the evil corporation stealing the genetic secrets of elderly athletes - but it seems to me that 23andMe has been fairly open about their intentions here, and I'm also genuinely intrigued about the potential of this set of individuals as research subjects. Physical activity extending into later life is a powerful protective factor against a multitude of common diseases, and digging into the molecular basis of variation in late-life physical performance could provide some genuinely useful and health-relevant insights.</div> <div></div> <div>That's not to say that getting useful results out of this cohort will be easy; but it seems plausible to me that many of the interesting traits that could be mined for this cohort would be determined by common variants (for reasons involving natural selection and post-reproductive traits, which are a topic for another post), and if a reasonable fraction of the 4,500 recruits end up progressing into the research stage that's a decent-sized cohort to draw on.</div> <div></div> <div>I've been <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2009/07/23andme_launches_new_effort_to.php">fairly optimistic</a> about the prospects of 23andMe's participant-driven research approach in the past. If this study is done well - and 23andMe certainly has access to the expertise and resources required to do it well - then we might very well see some intriguing (and publishable) results coming out of this cohort in the next year or so...</div> <div></div> <div></div> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; "> <div><a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/scienceblogs/geneticfuture" type="application/rss+xml" style="text-decoration: underline; "><img src="http://www.feedburner.com/fb/images/pub/feed-icon16x16.png" alt="rss-icon-16x16.jpg" height="16" width="16" style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; " /></a> <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/scienceblogs/geneticfuture" type="application/rss+xml" style="text-decoration: underline; ">Subscribe to Genetic Future</a>.</div> <div><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/wp-content/blogs.dir/274/files/2012/04/i-1e8735341225e739a7862450baf40589-twitter-icon-16x16.jpg" alt="i-1e8735341225e739a7862450baf40589-twitter-icon-16x16.jpg" /> <a href="http://twitter.com/dgmacarthur" style="text-decoration: underline; ">Follow Daniel on Twitter</a>.</div> <div></div> <div><b>Edit 12/08/09:</b> I somehow wrote "skeptical" when I meant precisely the opposite...</div> <div></div> <p></p></span></div> </div> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/dgmacarthur" lang="" about="/author/dgmacarthur" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dgmacarthur</a></span> <span>Wed, 08/12/2009 - 09:50</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/23andme" hreflang="en">23andMe</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/participant-driven-research" hreflang="en">participant-driven research</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/personal-genomics" hreflang="en">personal genomics</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461873" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1250084694"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Interestingly enough, there's already a healthy aging project going on here at the Genome Science Centre in Vancouver, although i think the qualifying age was something like 90+ years, here, rather than 50. As far as I know, I think the project has been going on here for a little over 2 years, so 23andme has a bit of catching up to do.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461873&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="WAYwPpz2vvfKqnjvqY-FCEFxWyq20kk85Y1p7ci8oao"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.fejes.ca" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">anthony (not verified)</a> on 12 Aug 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461873">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="253" id="comment-2461874" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1250085369"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hey Anthony,</p> <p>Good point - I think there are a few of these studies going on right now, mostly (as you say) focused on the extreme elderly. </p> <p>However, the genetic basis of healthy survival into extreme old age may well differ markedly from the genetic basis of physical fitness at earlier ages (say 50-70), so 23andMe isn't necessarily in direct competition with these consortia.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461874&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_G_VhgLmM8tF4dlyM9JbdEF5EWou-ldOCueHbvi35W8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/dgmacarthur" lang="" about="/author/dgmacarthur" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dgmacarthur</a> on 12 Aug 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461874">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/dgmacarthur"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/dgmacarthur" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461875" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1250085735"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hi Daniel,</p> <p>It's true that they're not in direct competition, but I suspect the genes that have the greater impact will be the ones that keeps you alive and in good health till your 90's, rather than your 50's. (=</p> <p>Anyhow, my point isn't that there shouldn't be competition, but that the project is far from unique - although it seems you already knew that. (Which is exactly why I read your blog in the first place!)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461875&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="VrM45Nds22VqdlodDZjj4Gz5M4oISLvAgLWbh0aALHs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.fejes.ca" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anthony (not verified)</a> on 12 Aug 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461875">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461876" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1250096728"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I am by no means a 23andMe detractor, but ascertaining samples through the Senior Games seems a little naïve. I mean, these are self-selecting individuals that actively engage in environmental modifications (e.g. exercising, healthy eating, etc...). Taking a random sample of 90-year-olds is a much better approach for studying the underpinnings of "healthy aging" (whatever that means). The whole thing appears to be a marketing/science hodgepodge, a truly "worst of both worlds" scenario.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461876&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="aPyuKKmK1qJuJqKH_rWFQcEox0Jo49ew4GHK63XKLw4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://twitter.com/matthewmarkus" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Matthew Markus (not verified)</a> on 12 Aug 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461876">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461877" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1250103247"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It may be lousy hypothesis driven science, but it makes for excellent data mining, and that is probably a more immediate goal. You replicated matched controlled experiment can get much strong statistics if it doesn't have to consider all 550,000 snps. If they tagged all of the senior athlete kits, and just visually compared that to every other sample in the database, some trends would standout. The statisticians would argue about the best methodology, but it shouldn't particularly matter if you just want to find the 10,000 snps worthy of a second round. Thanks to the reduced number of snps, that can be done in a<br /> much smaller group. </p> <p>I think 23andMe is trying to combat poor reliability on self reported data. They could do a second project and give kits to 4500 people who buy a "senior scooter" before age 50. How much do these two data clouds intersect. The ability to tell 23andMe customers what genetic distance they have from each of these two clouds might also be informative. The data they have gets more valuable as it grows, but well labeled data is a multiplier.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461877&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Zvar-Iakg4MJftRLK11cdK2lkWpGsFu1KpkSGdVGXl4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.snpedia.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">cariaso (not verified)</a> on 12 Aug 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461877">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461878" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1250103815"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I have a favourite quote I carry in my wallet</p> <p>"I am in better shape now than when I was 100" - 103 year old Ben Levinson competing in shotput, rock climbing and archery in the World Masters Games</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461878&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LI1Yd7PhcaFbZFahe4KGE285SS_eDTD6EdZ0Mru0H4s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">mrcreosote (not verified)</span> on 12 Aug 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461878">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461879" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1250108848"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Meh,<br /> Shitty Science, Great Marketing......<br /> -Steve</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461879&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uyTGrXgY-y9_MeVJIRyX3vTDeoojBNhbX8w4Igwc5c8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thegensherpa.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Steven Murphy MD (not verified)</a> on 12 Aug 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461879">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461880" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1250109484"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>cariaso,</p> <p>I hate to disagree with you, but, for $3.6 million, I think that looking at 50-year-old athletes versus 50-year-old scooter drivers is a little risky. There is no doubt that data mining will turn up something; however, my guess is that socioeconomic factors will explain differences in outcome. I mean, these are the <i>Palo Alto</i>, a place with a <b>median</b> home sale price greater than $1 million, Senior Games. The athletes congregate in the AstraZeneca Athlete Village and enjoy entertainment on the Euflexxa Entertainment Stage in front of the Humana Celebration Plaza (seriously). I would say this "study" is primarily a marketing gimmick. Most of the DTC companies believe that their market is the baby boomers since they have money and they want to stay healthy as they age. It would be more interesting to know if it is too late to act on the information in a genetic profile if one receives it at the age of 50.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461880&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AK9v8oyirby3xspDxCB4wvmpKxhSzv2pZ937OFhTCj4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://twitter.com/matthewmarkus" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Matthew Markus (not verified)</a> on 12 Aug 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461880">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461881" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1250137564"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Matthew, the exact location of the Senior Games is irrelevant. They've been held all over the country at two-year intervals since 1987. I do agree that it is not a random socioeconomic sample, since participants must have the means to travel. </p> <p>However, it's a unique opportunity to collect information about a distinctive group -- they're not merely healthy, they are functioning at a very high level. Some will set national records for their age group in their sport. Some of the participants are in their 90's, BTW.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461881&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wep3So41aXtMkuEhUMTpddSpT3aYoq-o4UZ_FSU96GU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ann Turner (not verified)</span> on 13 Aug 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461881">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461882" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1250165954"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>What's so distinctive about senior athletes? We have bundles of them here in Greenwich CT.......</p> <p>Marketing to old people, plain and simple.</p> <p>Ann, I wonder if you think the HR bill for healthcare reform is great too?</p> <p>-Steve</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461882&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="loUvPtpeAwypoaJ1v7tES2hcCCxH1u0BSv9Eadn5vO0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thegenesherpa.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Steven Murphy MD (not verified)</a> on 13 Aug 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461882">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461883" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1250337288"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Steven --</p> <p>Maybe you don't appreciate what the Senior Games are. They used to be called the Senior Olympics, if that gives you a better flavor. When I said the athletes were functioning at a very high level, I was not exaggerating for effect. If you care to investigate, take a look at the results for some of the T &amp; F events, which I find quite impressive. These are not just seniors who are active for casual enjoyment or basic fitness reasons. They are serious, dedicated, and exceptional athletes who don't want to quit competing just because they are growing older.</p> <p><a href="http://www.sml1.com/recordtiming/seniorgames09/">http://www.sml1.com/recordtiming/seniorgames09/</a> </p> <p>As to the leap in your last line to my opinion of the HR bill, your logic (?) baffles me.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461883&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="TPJpJkJQdxbi79O3rTdZTQQ5qa8SLtPOtdJwtegK_8Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ann Turner (not verified)</span> on 15 Aug 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461883">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461884" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1252508171"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I would like to order the Full Edition Personal Genome Service Kit. Ihad correspondence from the North Carolina Senior Games that this material was available to members.</p> <p>I had a fractured hip and could not participate this summer in Raleigh. But I am back in the pool now .</p> <p>I understand that this material is available fot the special price of $350. Is my spouse eligible also?</p> <p>Please advise. Thank you for your kind attention. Boyd C. Campbell</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461884&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ng0_FwcgWrBM-Fx4Y01724iepcbvo2dDUEmm57mC_UQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Boyd Cleveland Campbell">Boyd Cleveland… (not verified)</span> on 09 Sep 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461884">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461885" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1261672775"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>how can be a genet'c foundation be\ it would be super <a href="http://technorati.com/tag/">santa</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461885&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QnGC15j5vmwf27bwuvmRGN7rYZdMB0SJuf4qQeOOwV8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ramus (not verified)</span> on 24 Dec 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461885">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461886" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1261672950"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>being in good body shape, sexy curves and attractive hot body is everyone wants, </p> <p><a href="http://www.freegalleries.tk/">free galleries</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461886&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="P0QwKC17gtisv9d-r_7ym4sALa2WgsA7rw9J-5bgCms"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">areilla (not verified)</span> on 24 Dec 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461886">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461887" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1291914475"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Helpful article...making sure to bookmark this blog so I can visit in the future, it's so hard to discover beauty blogs with quality content!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461887&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dSrWInwTeA716yFNlzN0utvYvVk2U6jPiR6nwfWOQms"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ecigsforum.com/index.php" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Latoyia Sprong (not verified)</a> on 09 Dec 2010 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461887">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461888" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1294482499"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>If they tagged all of the senior athlete kits, and just visually compared that to every other sample in the database, some trends would standout. <a href="http://www.gumboil.net"></a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461888&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Im383MstDsT5CMcN7kmIrgwjIPU9MC8Ynl_OL-T6SQ0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Brad (not verified)</span> on 08 Jan 2011 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461888">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/geneticfuture/2009/08/12/23andme-doing-free-genetic-tes%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:50:00 +0000 dgmacarthur 140341 at https://www.scienceblogs.com The future of participant-driven genomic research https://www.scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2009/03/12/consumer-driven-genomic-resear <span>The future of participant-driven genomic research</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Over at the 23andMe blog The Spittoon, company co-founder Linda Avey <a href="http://spittoon.23andme.com/2009/03/11/a-new-approach-to-research-the-23andme-parkinsons-disease-initiative/">expands on her vision for a novel model of genomic research</a>, in which personal genomics customers contribute their genetic and health data to fuel research into the inherited and environmental triggers for disease.</p> <p>This is a model that 23andMe has been building towards for a long time. In May last year <a href="http://spittoon.23andme.com/2008/05/29/anne-and-linda-unveil-23andwe-at-d6/">the company launched 23andWe</a>, a cutely-named effort to obtain detailed health and trait data from their existing customers through online surveys which could then be combined with genetic data to find novel gene-trait associations. </p> <p>In today's post Avey formally announces a drive to recruit 10,000 Parkinson's disease patients for a targeted analysis of the genetic and environmental causes of this disease, which is backed by <a href="http://www.michaeljfox.org/">the Michael J. Fox Foundation</a> and <a href="http://www.thepi.org/">The Parkinson's Institute</a>, and <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/12/business/12gene.html?_r=1&amp;ref=business">will apparently be largely funded by Google co-founder Sergey Brin</a>. </p> <p>The model is simple: Parkinson's patients get access to the full features of a 23andMe genome scan for $25 (compared to the standard retail price of $400), in return for participation in online surveys. The company will then combine their recruits' genetic and survey data to look for unexpected associations with disease status, using volunteers from among their existing customers as controls.</p> <p>So, will 23andMe uncover new genes for Parkinson's disease?</p> <!--more--><p>It's certainly possible; <a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/v2702g0050g45024/">previous genome-wide association studies</a><br /> (GWAS) of Parkinson's have been seriously under-powered (just a few hundred<br /> cases and controls), so there's every chance that there are still low-hanging<br /> common risk variants that could be captured with a sample of 10,000 cases. Building an active community of participants may also provide substantial advantages in terms of making it easier to explore environmental risk factors and to chase down promising leads with further rounds of targeted surveys.</p> <p>However, there are also caveats: the self-reported disease status and health data from<br /> participants will never be as rigorous as information collected in a clinical<br /> setting; and it may well turn out that the bulk of the genetic risk for<br /> Parkinson's is due to rare genetic variants that will be<br /> essentially invisible to 23andMe's common variant-focused chip.</p> <p>All in all, though, my guess is that this study will contribute at least <i>something </i>of value to our understanding of the etiology of Parkinson's. But this will perhaps prove to be less important than the precedent that this study sets for future genomic research: perhaps I'm just a sucker for 23andMe's hype, but <b>I think the model of participant-driven research is a novel and powerful one, that will increasingly come to dominate the genomic research landscape</b>.</p> <p>23andMe has unique advantages in a study of this type: it provides an incentive for patients to enroll in the study (access to information about their ancestry and genetic disease risk); motivation for enrollees to <b>continue </b>to participate (as new features and updated association data are added); and a slick interface and experienced team for returning data back to participants. Few academic consortiums can match this set-up; yet it seems inevitable that participants in genomic research will increasingly demand some return (in terms of genetic information) for their participation in large-scale studies. </p> <p>This really hit home to me during a presentation by the <a href="http://www.genome.gov/">NHGRI</a>'s Len Biesecker at the AGBT meeting last month. Biesecker presented on the ongoing <a href="http://www.genome.gov/25521305">ClinSeq</a> project, during which he noted the ethical and logistical challenges of data return for academic genomics consortiums. For genomic researchers to generate genome-wide genetic data - with health implications well outside the current study - and then <b>not </b>return it to participants seems frankly unethical, but few if any genomics consortiums are in any way equipped to return whole-genome data to participants in a useful format. </p> <p>I immediately wondered: <b>why don't genomics consortiums simply take advantage of the databases and graphical interfaces already generated by personal genomics companies?</b> Basically, once a study is complete the researchers can send anonymised data to a personal genomics company and provide each participant with a unique, anonymous login code; then the research subjects can access their complete genomic data through the company's interface. </p> <p>This seems like a winning solution all round: <b>academic scientists can fulfil their ethical obligations</b> in terms of data return without attempting to build their own complex interfaces; <b>research participants get their data back</b> in a useful format; and <b>personal genomics companies get an additional, stable stream of revenue</b> for little more than the cost of some data storage and bandwidth. </p> <p>So, will we see future funding proposals for disease genomics projects include an extra allocation to pay a personal genomics company to return genomic data to participants? I suspect it will take a while before academic researchers overcome their (quite understandable) suspicion of the consumer genomics industry; but the combination of the ethical imperative of data release and the logistical challenges of building their own data release infrastructure may well force their hand. </p> <p> <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/scienceblogs/geneticfuture" type="application/rss+xml"><img src="http://www.feedburner.com/fb/images/pub/feed-icon16x16.png" /></a> <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/scienceblogs/geneticfuture" type="application/rss+xml">Subscribe to Genetic Future</a>.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/dgmacarthur" lang="" about="/author/dgmacarthur" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dgmacarthur</a></span> <span>Thu, 03/12/2009 - 08:10</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/23andme" hreflang="en">23andMe</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/participant-driven-research" hreflang="en">participant-driven research</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/personal-genomics" hreflang="en">personal genomics</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461319" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1236871200"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Kari has to be loving this.......Not.</p> <p>-Steve<br /><a href="http://www.thegenesherpa.blogspot.com">www.thegenesherpa.blogspot.com</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461319&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CRscYBRTXPlsOrIf1I9z3qw7sXZq-SHwiTkDzUfmEM0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thegenesherpa.blogspot.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Steven Murphy MD (not verified)</a> on 12 Mar 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461319">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2461320" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1236875174"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>wouldn't there be a risk of self-selection bias?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2461320&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="PyVSlXpFV5OegT2wsajV7gX2m4_vs5YEd50h11PrOu0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ben g (not verified)</span> on 12 Mar 2009 <a href="https://www.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/20760/feed#comment-2461320">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/geneticfuture/2009/03/12/consumer-driven-genomic-resear%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:10:59 +0000 dgmacarthur 140251 at https://www.scienceblogs.com