PZ Myers Expelled, Gains Sainthood

Jeebus, but that tickles the cockles.

I did some graphics as well

http://dererumnatura.us/archives/2008/03/flunked-expelle.html

Jeffrey Overstreet wrote a couple of blog entries at http://artsandfaith.com/index.php?showtopic=16419&hl= about his story. Here is a quote from one about the comments being left at PZ's site;
"You haven't seen the posts I've deleted. I'm getting buried in messages that read like they've been written by the Uruk-Hai. Check out the tone of the comments on this page. I mean, I'm all for comments and discussion, but those folks have all the dignity of a gang of playground bullies."

Jeffrey Overstreet wrote a couple of blog entries at http://artsandfaith.com/index.php?showtopic=16419&hl= about his story. Here is a quote from one about the comments being left at PZ's site;
"You haven't seen the posts I've deleted. I'm getting buried in messages that read like they've been written by the Uruk-Hai. Check out the tone of the comments on this page. I mean, I'm all for comments and discussion, but those folks have all the dignity of a gang of playground bullies."

http://digitalcuttlefish.blogspot.com/2008/03/trojan-myers.html

Sorry about the double post, I had a Server Timed Out message, so I simply reposted without checking.

I've got a post up sending readers PZ's way for this incredible story. Under the headline Creationism Update: Evicting the Bathwater Dept.

it's all so astonishingly fitting...

How would it be possible to top P.Z.'s post? I just linked:
http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/evolution-teacher-expelled-f…

I have written a new post about this, because I feel very strongly about the movie spreading the lie about evolution and Nazis.

By the way, James Walcott at Vanity Fair thinks the whole episode is delightful.

I have a short one at http://archaeoporn.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/ben-stein-vs-pz/

Jeffrey Overstreet wrote a couple of blog entries at..

Don't you find Overstreet's standard of fairness commendable? After numerous commenters pointed out Stuart Blessman's own words are contradictory, so that he is most certainly not being entirely truthful, Overstreet dismisses these as "opinions" of people who have "faith" because they were not present themselves.

Really? I heard that it was just a Beatification.

Someone (not me) made an amusing lolscience macro:

Click here!

I blogged on it here.

And... we have newspaper coverage: http://www.twincities.com/ci_8653837

I just ran across this gem of a comic. :-D

In case you haven't seen, the story is in NYT now:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/science/21expelledw.html

And this is my post: Should Dawkins have been Expelled?

In case it gets missed, here is Genie Scott, in the Pharyngula comments:

Well, PZ, at least you got registered and accepted for the program.

I registered for the local East Bay showing (site unannounced) more than three weeks ago, and received my automated reply on February 28 saying I would be emailed "a confirmation once the screening is confirmed".

They now know the screening will be in Danville. The web page says the Danville screening is "full", yet others I know received confirmations weeks ago, while my inbox remains empty.

I fear I have been *pre*Expelled!

Does anyone who is confirmed for Danville want to take me as a guest? I assure you, I am very well behaved. I am a mild-mannered, gray-haired lady who like PZ is "Minnesota nice."

But I *would* like to know why Mark Mathis told both of us a month after Premise Media secured the domain name "www.expelledthemovie.com" that the name of the movie was "Crossroads." Was Premise lying to Mark or was Mark lying to us?

My blog post:

http://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2008/03/pharyngula-gets-creationist-…

Florida Citizens for Science blog post "Expelled incompetence":
http://www.flascience.org/wp/?p=510

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008/03/richard_dawkins_worlds_most_fa.htm…

There is a growing fear by the producers that Darwinists may be trying get into the showings to make bootleg copies (for the Web?), possibly in hopes of damaging the commercial value. Others may be crashing because they want to trash it before it even gets reviewed by the media. P.Z. Myers, who was not let into a showing last night in Minnesota, probably falls in the latter category.

Amazingly, the best selling Oxford scientist/author Richard Dawkins also crashed a showing of Expelled in Minnesota last night and he not only was let in, but introduced at the end of the showing.

Dawkins apparently acknowledged that he had not been invited and did not have a ticket. A sophomoric side to his ideological campaign is thus revealed.

Paranoia and projection, not a pretty combination

Colorado Confidential, which previously covered expelled picks up the story:
http://www.coloradoconfidential.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3602

http://possummomma.blogspot.com/2008/03/pz-was-expelled-from-expelled.h…

Did you get this one?

http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_8653837?nclick_check=1

TwinCities.com: Biology prof expelled from screening of 'Expelled'

I did a post on my site. Now all the people who come there doing searches on terms like "headless rabbit" and "cathy baker hee haw" can be enlightened about P.Z. Myers being expelled from Expelled!

http://anothermonkey.blogspot.com/2008/03/just-in-time-for-easter.html

We have claimed territory on the Wikipedia "Irony" page, with a definition of "breaking the irony meter."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

To secure this bit of the memeplex, do mention, if so moved, when your irony meter has been overloaded, broken, exploded, etc.

Like Ed Darrell, I thought little more was needed than a link. I just had to give a bit of context first:

Expelled, The Irony

I just posted this:
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2389,Discussion-on-PZ-Myers-being-expelled-from-Expelled,Richard-Dawkins-PZ-Myers

Josh

here's mine!
http://toomanytribbles.blogspot.com/2008/03/expelled-chronicles.html

I came in on this late, but for what it's worth:

http://metamagician3000.blogspot.com/2008/03/myers-expelled-from-expell…

Keep them coming, I'll keep checking this and my email and updating regularly.

In a day or two, I'll reformat this mess and make it all pretty, alphabetical, whatever seems appropriate.

I don't understand why the Wikipedia entry on the movie refers only to these wishy wishy press pieces, and not to any of the first hand accounts on the internet, or to this compendium of links!!!

There are Irony people at Wikipedia who do not want Expelled in the entry. Somebody has to go back and put it in, right? Is that how it workrs?

But hey, don't make trouble. If the police grab you just GO LIMP GO LIMP... You've all had your training, REMEMBER YOUR TRAINING.

A wet rag in a plastic bag for the tear gas. It won't help but it will make you feel better. Be aware of which way the wind is blowing. If you hear pops or explosions, don't go away from the sound but rather, go into the wind.

(It is all coming back....)

A foreigner's brief review of "Expelled" shenanigans....

Here's my little contribution:
http://dust-in-a-sunbeam.blogspot.com/2008/03/silly-creationists-tricks-on-you.html

I've posted a couple of entries:

(or you could just click on my name below to see all at once)

http://sbrownblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/omfsm-expelling-of-pz-from-expel…

http://sbrownblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/pz-gets-expelled-and-wins-teh-in…

http://sbrownblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/rock-star-biologist-university-t…

including my experiences at the Center for Inquiry reception with Dawkins in Austin the evening before he was in Minneapolis. Dawkins used my paper in his speech ;)

It's not the great American novel, but here's where I chuckle.

Oops, bad link last time.

Here's my post on my blog:
http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2008/03/and-never-ending-freak-show-jus…

There's an account at Libertes Internets that's worth including. (I don't see it above, but perhaps I missed it.) It isn't entirely clear to me who the author is (I don't know the site, CalGeorge linked to it in Pharyngula comments). It lists "Tim Carr - IES News Service Chicago - 22/03/2008" at the beginning, which makes me wonder whether this might be French translation of an article in English???

Russell Blackford has a thought commentary here:
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/comments/2349/

Hmmm, you seem to have missed mine. I caught PZ's post while the movie was still on (Comment 45), laughed out loud several times, and got down to blogging: "Expelled FAIL!"

Me too! Me too!

Godwin's Law Never Fails

I'm collecting other links:
http://diaphanus.livejournal.com/871071.html

Ian,

I've added some of yours.

I'll toot my own horn.

More:

http://scienceblogs.com/strangerfruit/2008/03/bruce_chapman_is_a_liar.p…
http://scienceblogs.com/strangerfruit/2008/03/expelled_in_tempe.php

I couldn't finish PhysioProfs post. How one makes this topic unreadable is an achievement in itself.

Joining the wave, here's mine.

I've done a couple of pieces on Expelled, although just how much can you flog a dead horse, but my piece on this story is at:

http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/?p=222

Keep flogging the dead horse. Here's the post I did on the subject:
http://dangblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/21/the-expelled-from-expelled-sto…

I took the liberty of upgrading the LOLDawkins posted to Myers' Expelled thread:

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/3/23/1285080279…

also here, but larger:

http://profile.imageshack.us/user/didymos/images/detail/#186/lolexpelle…

And here are my two.
The first, covering pretty much the whole Expelled silliness:
http://mattcbr.wordpress.com/2008/03/21/expelled-no-intelligence-allowe…

The second a response to EvolutionNews.org's lying out it's ass.
http://mattcbr.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/evolutionnewsorg-caught-lying-o…

http://bigdumbchimp.blogspot.com/2008/03/cdesign-proponentsists-lying-n…

and

http://bigdumbchimp.blogspot.com/2008/03/expelled-police-not-brightest-…

You know you've made it when your irony explosion gets picked up on BookCrossing chat forums: Creationists kind of miss the point--LOL. The start of thread quotes Prof. Myers' original post and there are more than 90 responses.

Here's the link in clear:
http://www.bookcrossing.com/forum/5/5248874/94

New Scientist has a review of Expelled.. Money quote:

Throughout the entire experience, Maggie and I couldn't help feeling that the polarised audience in the theater was a sort of microcosm of America, and let me tell you - it's a scary place. I also couldn't help thinking that the intelligent design folks aren't being silenced, so much as they're being silent. Because when it comes to actually explaining anything, they've got nothing to say.

The whole review is well worth reading.

Here is my (fairly detailed) post at Science Reporting blog:
http://sciencereporting.blogspot.com/2008/03/pz-id-and-bs.html

I have a collection of links to blog posts on this topic on my own blog as well, which includes some reactions from religion scholars, theologians and other such sources.

You may add to the list the post at Talk Reason at http://www.talkreason.org/articles/expelled.cfm . TalkReason is not a blog but rather an archive, but this story was too funny not to be reacted to.

You forgot Substantiate your assertion, PZ

There was an "Expelled Contest" to see who could come up with the greatest persecution story; however, it has been closed down between yesterday afternoon and this morning.

http://sbrownblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/expelled-contest.html

There was an "Expelled Contest" to see who could come up with the greatest persecution story; however, it has been closed down between yesterday afternoon and this morning.

http://sbrownblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/expelled-contest.html

http://unintelligencedispelled.blogspot.com/

Just a brief coverage of the incident, but will be updating with more news and opinion pieces on ID and the buzz created by Expelled.

here is my contribution
www.biolaw.blogspot.com

I've written a post trying to keep track of all of the different contradictory stories coming from the ID crowd about this incident. It's here: Expelled movie public-relations definitely not intelligently designed. Submissions welcome!

John Patterson, film reviewer for The Guardian, wrote yesterday:

"The actor Ben Stein has switched from TV comedy, where his talents really lie, to political apologias, where his talents simply die...."

A step to the right

Monkey Trials: Atheism's Jay Leno?

OK, so my previous entry wasn't about Expelledgate - but it's nice to see that our friends across the pond are picking up on the ridiculousness of the movie and BS's appearance in it.

Monkey Trials: Atheism's Jay Leno?

OK, so my previous entry wasn't about Expelledgate - but it's nice to see that our friends across the pond are picking up on the ridiculousness of the movie and BS's appearance in it.

Sorry about the double hit. Firefox choked on me. :-\

Here's another link: "Irony/hypocrisy/funny."

The Skepticality podcast #074 for 4/1/'08 includes interviews with Richard Dawkins and Michael Shermer about Expelled:

http://www.skepticality.com/index.php

The link to the show will eventually be here:

http://www.skepticality.com/sn_Ep74.html

Enjoy!

I have seen some blogs which were claiming a lawsuit against the production company of "Expelled" for animation copyrights infringement...lol...Of course these allegations are not true, and finally the "Expelled" site responded by saying...

"Questions have been raised about the origination of some of the animation used in our movie EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed. Claims that we have used any animation in an unauthorized manner are simply false. Premise Media created the animation that illustrates cellular activity used in our film."

I read your comments about Dawkins sneaking in and Meyers being expelled.Seems to me that someone like yourself should be intelligent enough to know the difference between an invite only prescreening and the normal pay to view.It is not only unethical to crash a party,os to sneak into an invite only event uninvited,but it is also tresspassing.If these two were to pay to get in,they would be as welcome as anyone else.So top call the Expelled croud hypocrits,is either incredibly stupid.(which i doubt you are,a bit misguided maybe.)Or you,like so many othersare willing to lie through your teeth to demonize othere who disagree with you.It's not that you are stupid,just morally bankrupt.
Unlike your crowd,the ID crowd is not trying to silence anybody,just be allowd to pose questions,and have all reasonable possibilities open for free thinkers to be able to weigh all of the evidence,and make up their own minds.

It has been evident that the fascists in this country are not the religious right,or even agnostics,But the athiests who have been forcing their views down everyones throats for the past 40 or 50 years,any way they can,specifically by silencing any opposing views.and of course,by arrogantly insinuating that those who disagree are simply not as intellegent,or somehow mentally ill.

If the case for Darwinism is so strong,Then why is there a need to silence any opposing positions?unless you believe that the average person is not intellegent enough to understand science,in which case,you are not only arrogant,but bigoted.

Douglas,
Myers did not try to sneak in. You must not have heard that there was no fee for entrance to the event from which Myers was Expelled. It was not invite-only. Individuals were able to sign up in advance, which Myers did. His being asked to leave had nothing to do with crashing a party or trying to get in without paying.
Sheesh. You don't know what you're talking about!

.. what she said ...

is it really "unethical to crash a party"? what if I bring some really good weed?

Douglass: "of course,by arrogantly insinuating that those who disagree are simply not as intellegent,or somehow mentally ill."

Douglass, have you also noticed a trend amongst the left leaners to bash the mentally ill? I think it would be meritorious to parse through some of the more left blogs and find that in fact their IS a trend in that direction--despite railings against those who stand accused of homofobia, massagerists,rascists, and anti-feminiSS, it appears it is still acceptable to deride the mentally ill, especially at PZ's blog( just read through the comments--they are generally rabidly insensitive to the mentally ill)...

Doug,

It is true that many people were sent information about how to sign up for this showing, and PZ Myers and his family, as well as Richard Dawkins, all signed up the way they were supposed to.

It happens that the producer of the film recognized PZ and tossed him out of the theater.

Your side did something really awful. Deal.

"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"

Douglas, you have sinned. Go to confession.

Wait, so if this showing was invite-only as you claim, how exactly did Myers' name end up on the admissions list? How did he get tickets?

Actually, Douglass, forget those. I only have one question I'd really like you to answer. Are you really deluded enough to believe what you're saying, or do know how patently false it is.

I'll admit, though, I wasn't aware of the existence of massagerists. Napoleon, could you provide any links on these anti-massage crusaders to satisfy my curiousity?

Kevin Miller apologized to PZ Myers (for accusing him of 'gatecrashing') on the 21 march. I've seen this get very little play in the blogosphere but it seems significant to me. Kevin Miller as the writer of Expelled is inside the 'expelled camp'. If Mathis and others has kept on stating PZ 'gatecrashed' since the 21 March this suggest they could've/should've known different.

Direct link:
http://kevinwrites.typepad.com/otherwise_known_as_kevin_/2008/03/i-repe…

He preannonunced it here:
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=1…

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When I first heard what went down at the Minneapolis screening, I understood that PZ Myers and Richard Dawkins had attempted to sneak in under false pretenses and that PZ got caught. However, PZ claims to have followed the proper procedure--registering under his own name, not packing a video camera, etc.--and I believe him. (I have no idea if Dawkins did the same.) I also understood that the screening was by invitation only. I did not realize that there was an online form for people to sign up and reserve a spot. (I'm the writer, so I'm not really privy to the marketing side of things.) So if PZ followed the correct procedures, why was he still kicked out? I'll let the producers of Expelled speak to that--which they will do shortly. And trust me, it's not because they were afraid of him.

As for me, I would like to apologize to PZ for the misinformation on my blog.
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Odd, you'd think Expelled!'s producers would want the press that those two would have generated, and even have had cameras on hand to record it themselves. Something's clearly not being said, whether or not it's duplicitous and malicious.

Perhaps the guest list got loaded by practical jokers? It was a web sign-up after all. What sort of verification was put into this? Check on a throw-away email address?
Ameritania Hotel New York

I could easily see the guy vetting the list ...

"We've got 21 'Charles Darwins' msn nickleri
and 15 'Thomas Huxleys'. And look, 5 'Richard Dawkins'. I removed all I found - I just hope one didn't slip by."

I find it more amusing the amount of time used and wasted getting all worked up over a movie.

In a sense Expelled has proven one thing, that the people opposed to any mention of Intelligent Design are rabid in their convictions.

Simply amazing... Must have evolution all figured out with all this free time eh?

Odd, you'd think Expelled!'s producers would want the press that those two would have generated, and even have had cameras on hand to record it themselves. Something's clearly not being said, whether or not it's duplicitous and malicious

Douglass: "of course,by arrogantly insinuating that those who disagree are simply not as intellegent,or somehow mentally ill."

Douglass, have you also noticed a trend amongst the left leaners to bash the mentally ill? I think it would be meritorious to parse through some of the more left blogs and find that in fact their IS a trend in that direction--despite railings against those who stand accused of homofobia, massagerists,rascists, and anti-feminiSS, it appears it is still acceptable to deride the mentally ill, especially at PZ's blog( just read through the comments--they are generally rabidly insensitive to the mentally ill)...

Douglass: "of course,by arrogantly insinuating that those who disagree are simply not as intellegent,or somehow mentally ill."

Douglass, have you also noticed a trend amongst the left leaners to bash the mentally ill? I think it would be meritorious to parse through some of the more left blogs and find that in fact their IS a trend in that direction--despite railings against those who stand accused of homofobia, massagerists,rascists, and anti-feminiSS, it appears it is still acceptable to deride the mentally ill, especially at PZ's blog( just read through the comments--they are generally rabidly insensitive to the mentally ill)...

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I don't know if you're still updating this page (I hope so!), but the link to the War Room article, "Expel, expelling, expelled!" is a general link to the section of the site. Here's the direct link to the article:

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2008/03/21/expelled

I did a post on my site. Now all the people who come there doing searches on terms like "headless rabbit" and "cathy baker hee haw" can be enlightened about P.Z. Myers being expelled from Expelled!

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