One thing that's become obvious to me over the last few years that I've been engaged in dealing with various forms of pseudoscience, alternative medicine, and conspiracy theories is that people who are prone to credulity to one form of pseudoscience, the paranormal, or other crankery tend to be prone to credulity towards multiple forms of crankery. For example, Phillip Johnson, one of the "luminaries" of the "intelligent design" creationism movement is also a full-blown HIV denialist who doesn't accept the science that demonstrates that HIV causes AIDS. Another example is Dr. Lorraine Day, who is heavily into dubious alternative cancer therapies and is also a conspiracy theorist and Holocaust denier. More recently a creationist, Johannes Lerle, was jailed as a Holocaust denier in Germany, and crank supreme Larry Fafarman proudly claims himself to be a "Darwin doubter" and a "Holocaust revisionist." In a similar vein, antivaccinationist Pat Sullivan, Jr. is also a "Darwin doubter," while regular contributor at Bill Dembski's home for ID sycophants Dave Springer (a.k.a. DaveScot) not only rejects the science of evolution in favor of the pseudoscience of ID, but is also a global warming denialist crank and encourages unsupervised experimentation with an unproven anticancer agent by desperate cancer patients.
The list goes on.
Now here's yet another bit of evidence to support the attraction of crankery to crankery pointed out to me by Tara and a couple of readers, courtesy of PaV over at Uncommon Descent. This time around, it's the ID crowd embracing Peter Duesberg, trying to link his aneuploidy hypothesis of cancer to an antievolution screed:
In this latest post at PhysOrg, it seems that Darwinism hasn't helped, but instead hindered the fight against cancer.
Dr. Peter Duesberg, a molecular biologist at Berkeley,
proposed in 2000 that the assumption underlying most cancer research today is wrong. That assumption, that cancer results from a handful of genetic mutations that drive a cell into uncontrolled growth, has failed to explain many aspects of cancer, he said, and has led researchers down the wrong path.
And, in words that support Behe's main thesis in "The Edge of Evolution", Deusberg also adds:
"In this new study and in one published in 2005, we have proved that only chromosomal rearrangements, rather than mutations, can explain the high rates and wide ranges of drug resistance in cancer cells."
Only someone who knows very little about cancer biology and cancer research could have said something so ignorant. A couple of months ago, I discussed Peter Duesberg's chromosomal chaos hypothesis in gory detail. (Indeed, I was criticized for not editing the post down to a more manageable size.) It's a concept that has some scientific merit and probably is a major mechanism of carcinogenesis and cancer progression in some tumors. However, unlike the way it's being represented, it's not actually that novel of an idea. Although attributing carcinogenesis to chromosomal aneuploidy is not itself pseudoscience, Duesberg pushes it to the border of pseudoscience by, in characteristic crank fashion, boldly declaring aneuploidy as The One True Cause of All Cancer (and scientists who don't accept it as unimaginative, deluded, and unappreciative of his genius), in much the same way that he declares that HIV is Not The True Cause of AIDS. To him, it's all or nothing. Cancer is either caused by all mutation or all chromosomal abnormalities. Never mind that chromosomal rearrangements frequently cause mutations. The end result is then derangements in gene expression, such that genes causing unregulated growth are turned on out of control and/or genes involved in growth suppression are turned off--often both. The bottom line is that Duesberg seems incapable of comprehending that both mechanisms, aneuploidy and mutation, probably play a role in carcinogenesis to different degrees depending on which cancer is being discussed.
In characteristic fashion, the Uncommon Descent article tries to invoke Duesberg's chromosomal aneuploidy concept to how "Darwinism" has supposedly led cancer researchers in the wrong direction:
Think of the number of people who die each year of cancer as compared to the number who die from bacterial infection, and one can easily see that all the chest-slapping by the Darwinists about how RM+NS has given us anti-bacterial drugs can know pound their breasts in remorse at the "wrong path" mutational theory has led cancer researchers. This isn't just a battle between the God-denying and the God-affirming segments of our global society, it's about good science versus bad science, about reason versus myth.
Actually, in the developing world, bacterial infection is a major killer that's easily on par with cancer. It's utterly silly to belittle it as a source of human suffering. After all, infection was a a much more common cause of premature death than cancer 100 years ago, in the era before antibiotics. Child mortality due to infection was high, and, because cancer is, for the most part, a disease of aging, fewer people lived long enough to get cancer. Be that as it may, the above claim by the author of the article (PaV) is just plain idiotic. For one thing, bacterial chromosomes are very different from the chromosomes in eucaryotic cells, such as our cells. In bacteria, the DNA is usually all in a single circular chromosome that is not folded up into higher structures complexed with protein the same way that it is in eucaryotic cells.
The entire article left me scratching my head. PaV seems to be saying that, no matter what progress "Darwinism" has made in understanding bacterial resistance to antibiotics as evolution under the selective pressure (begging the question, of course, of how much he accepts evolution and selection as a major underlying mechanism of bacterial resistance), supposedly applying the same concept to chemotherapeutic resistance in bacteria has led oncology research in the "wrong direction." How Duesberg's concepts are linked to this I fail to see. Indeed, I suspect that Duesberg himself would be puzzled by this attempt to invoke his ideas about cancer to attack evolution. To see why, consider what Duesberg has said in the very article cited by PaV:
"The mutation theory of cancer says that a limited number of genes causes cancer, so cancers should all be more or less the same," Duesberg said. The chromosomal theory, which he laid out in an article in the May 2007 issue of Scientific American, implies instead that, "even if cancers are from the same tissue, and are generated with the same carcinogen, they are never the same. There is always a cytogenetic and a biochemical individuality in every cancer."
This is, as is frequently the case with Duesberg, a straw man about mutation and cancer. The mutation theory says nothing of the sort, nor is it necessarily a consequence of mutation theory that cancers should be "more or less the same." Where Duesberg gets that idea, I don't know. There are actually quite a few oncogenes and tumor suppressors that have been described that can result in cancer. In any case, Duesberg's not entirely correct about tumors not being similar. In this era of the gene chip, where we can assay every gene in the genome simultaneously, what's become apparent is that there is less heterogeneity in gene expression in cancers than one might expect. However, it's when Duesberg wanders into drug resistance that we find why PaV decided to invoke his chromosomal aneuploidy concept:
Development of drug resistance in cancer is one of the strongest arguments for the aneuploidy, or chromosomal, theory of cancer, Duesberg said, and is one aspect of cancer that can be studied experimentally. Normal cancers typically take decades to develop, making it hard to link cause and effect and to prove or disprove either the mutation or chromosomal theories. Drug resistance, however, often occurs quickly. Many cancer patients are initially heartened when their cancer starts to respond to a drug, only to find the cancer suddenly stop responding and begin to grow again.
Duesberg counters that aneuploidy is simpler and can explain the common development of resistance to many unrelated drugs within the same cancer. He has shown in experiments that aneuploidy causes many gene disruptions such as breakage or translocation each time a cancer cell divides, providing an opportunity for it to develop resistance to many drugs. Gene mutation rates in cancer cells, however, are no different from mutation rates in normal cells, making it difficult to understand how several simultaneous mutations can occur in cancer to make them resistant to more than one drug.
Once again, it's all-or-nothing thinking. Duesberg totally neglects mechanisms of drug resistance that can result in resistance to a wide variety of unrelated chemotherapy drugs through just one mutation. For example, resistance to a wide variety of drugs can occur through the increased production of P-glycoprotein (a.k.a. MDR1). Introduction of this gene into tumor cells can produce resistance to many different chemotherapeutic drugs. Resistance to many drugs does not necessarily require simultaneous mutations in multiple genes. Come to think of it, this idea sounds reminiscent of Michael Behe's nonsense in The Edge of Evolution, where he claims a probabilistic limit to what mutation and evolution can do. In the same way, Duesberg is claiming that mutation without chromosomal rearrangement isn't sufficient to explain multidrug resistance. Like Behe's example of chloroquine resistance in malaria, Duesberg goes wrong by assuming that the multiple mutations must arise simultaneously.
I can see why ID'ers would be attracted to this idea.
The problem is, even if Duesberg were 100% correct, chromosomal aneuploidy is not evidence against evolution, as I'm pretty sure that Duesberg himself would agree. The reason is simple: Selection could just as easily act on chromosomal rearrangement. The reason, of course, is that, according to Duesberg, the reason chromosomal aneuploidy is a better explanation for cancer is because it supposedly destabilizes the genome and actually results in more mutations and changes in levels of more genes than random mutation alone. Indeed, if you accept Duesberg's argument for the primacy of chromosomal aneuploidy and instability over random mutation in the development of cancer and drug resistance, that would actually be stronger evidence for the role of selection and evolution in drug resistance because, in Duesberg's world, there would be more mutation and more variability in the expression of key critical genes controlling phenotype producing more raw material on which selection could act.
Indeed, PaV's argument trying to link Duesberg's aneuploidy concept in the service of ID is so risible that several commenters, who tend to be pretty sycophantic with regards to ID given that registration is required to comment and dissenters are often quickly banned, take him to task for his argument and even led to the irony of at least two commenters recommending my previous analysis of Duesberg's work. Of course, no pseudoscientific nonsense is too ridiculous or dumb for that brain dead pit bull of ID, DaveScot to embrace wholeheartedly:
Cancer cells are broken cells. Information has been lost, not gained. Specifically the lost information breaks the apoptosis mechanism. There's no evolution going on in cancer. Devolution is the apt term. That mutation is responsible for the onset of cancer in many if not most cases is well established. Exposure to sundry forms of ionizing radiation and chemicals definitely causes damage to DNA and raises the risk of cancer. The take home lesson seems to be that nothing good ever happens from DNA damage. No one to my knowledge has ever been exposed to radiation or carcingenic substances and come out better for it - only bad things happen. That isn't evolution - it's devolution.
As a cancer researcher, I can say that it caused my brain pain to read that, rather like below:
After all, what are the uncontrolled proliferation and invasion of cancer cells at the expense of host cells if not improved fitness leading to the preferential growth of cancer cells compared to normal cells? Indeed, modeling the increased fitness of tumor cells can be used as a measure of aggressiveness and has been tested as a means of predicting which precancerous esophageal lesions are most likely to progress to invasive cancer. Given DaveScot's previous antics, it shouldn't be surprising at all that he's bordering on being an HIV denialist himself, just like Duesberg.
Perhaps the most hysterically funny take on this comes from our old pal Sal Cordova in the comments:
Regarding the Original Point by Pav, let me add, I can't see a single case where the neo-Darwinian view has added to medical knowledge any more than what an ID view would have done.
Let's see. "Darwinism" has helped us to understand the evolution of bacterial drug resistance, the development of cancer, and is increasingly useful in understanding other human diseases. What has ID contributed to medicine?
Worse, if you read the comments, you'll find a fair amount of sympathy among ID advocates for Duesberg's contention that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. No one quite comes out and says it, but there are several comments along the lines of "the fact that we haven't cured AIDS yet suggests that attributing it to HIV has led us down the wrong path."
In reality, this whole whine is nothing more than yet another application of that favorite gambit of cranks, the Galileo Gambit. Because we haven't cured cancer yet, something must be wrong. Never mind that cancer is not one disease and that it is a very difficult foe that has been with us from the beginning. Because we haven't cured it in the 36 years of the War on Cancer, we must be completely on the wrong track. To those liking alternative medicine, it's obviously "allopathic medicine" that is to blame and our seeming lack of progress is "evidence" that alternative medicine is better. To the ID'er "Darwinism" is to blame. Because Duesberg is a maverick in the world of cancer (or, depending upon your point of view, a crank, given his all-or-nothing, either-or thinking with regards to gene mutation or chromosomal aneuploidy and cancer), he had been viewed as a "Galileo" figure by alternative medicine aficionado's. It's not surprising that antievolutionists would gravitate towards him in the same way.
If these people had been Australopithecines, they might have come up with some crazy thought - like that sabre-tooth tigers are vegetarians who use their front teeth to crack open coconuts. Or that God will protect them from the local hominid-eating leopard. Or that eating those strange red berries will give you immunity from the crocodile at the local watering hole.
And then they would have been not Australopithecus, but dinner.
Why, oh why, is there not a natural predator to take care of such people today?
I love that Monty Python clip, DaveScot visits Michael Egnor.
"Why, oh why, is there not a natural predator to take care of such people today?"
You've obviously never heard of Benny Hinn.
You can add Jonathan Wells as a cancer-skeptic ID proponent (see his ISCID paper on centrioles, where he asserts that many researchers see cancer as a "centrosomal disease" rather than a DNA disease.
Isn't a chromosomal rearrangement a "mutation"?
Without evolution and common descent, there is zero reason for any animal physiology to hold for humans. According to ID, there is no basis for understanding human physiology based on animal experiments.
How long has alternative medicine been around? Thousands of years? How come alternative medicine hasn't cured all disease during that time?
It must be because it doesn't work.
I think the same doctors in the movie clip must be the ones responsible for the recent attacks in the UK (Remember Orac there are now even worse doctors than Egnor).
I wonder what other personality triats are correlated with denialism, and if anyone has made a study of it.
Dr. Orac should consider himself fortunate. Every time Prof. Smith so much as mentions HIV/AIDS, the trolls and whackjobs come out of the woodwork and she gets comments nunbered in the hundreds.
"I wonder what other personality triats are correlated with denialism, and if anyone has made a study of it."
Seems to me this would be interesting research...there are any number of normal reality based "Dr Joe's" full of overblown egos, myoptic beliefs, lust for authority... but the cranks come across a bit more off kilter...maybe part of some evolutionary stable strategy- where crankoids ever threaten the "Joes" for dominion...darn those evolutionary processes
Some UD'ers seem to think that ID would be fruitful since it is a minority view and questions established dogma. Good things might come out of this, seems to be the thinking (I freely admit that this is possible). This also seems to be the case with the HIV/AIDS post mentioned. But if the ID crowd wish to follow ideas simply because they are minority ones, perhaps they should also support Stefan Lanka - his views are certainly minority ones. In a 2001 book he claims that there is no proof of any medically relevant viruses at all. A gut reaction probably tells you that this guy is a true ignorant, but he is, in fact, a PhD-holding virologist and molecular biologist. Really, how big is the step from denying the "HIV causes AIDS" statement to the "medically relevant viruses don't exist at all" statement? How fruitful would research along these lines be?
I also noted the other day that overwhelmingevidence is up and running again. BobMort makes a very succinct point regarding antibiotic resistance:
Evolutionist doctors believe that antibiotic resistance is a bad thing because in their world-view, the thing they fear the most is a strain of bacteria which is reistant to multiple forms of antibiotic; however what they have failed to comprehend is that such a bacterial strain would have been so weakened by evolution as to become hardly a danger to mankind.
Evolution is nothing to be afraid of, and can only practically weaken a strain of bacteria to the point where it is no longer a threat.
I've previously discussed (http://thedesigninterference.blogspot.com/2007/06/downhill-from-here.ht…) that the acquisition of antibiotic resistance does not necessarily lead to decreased fitness in an environment where antibiotics are absent, so BobMort's point is dud from the word go. There is, on top of this, a notable irony in BobMost's writings as well. He claims:
In a nutshell, these podcasts explain that doctors have mis-understood the concept of antibiotic resistance, mainly because they have applied a materialistic, evolutionary world-view to this problem.
The irony is that, as detailed in his previous quotes above, he appeals to materialistic, evolutionary processes to argue that antibiotic resistance is NOT a problem. The fact that the topic of his post was about how ID was to lead to practical medical advances makes it all even more ironic.
How about degrees of crank separation?
Pick any two cranks and determine the smallest number of intermediate cranks that share two pseudosciences in common.
Can anyone find two cranks that have more than two degrees of crank separation?
There's some interesting mathematics with power laws in the problem. A few hypercranks mean that it is a highly interconnected network.
But if the ID crowd wish to follow ideas simply because they are minority ones, perhaps they should also support Stefan Lanka - his views are certainly minority ones. In a 2001 book he claims that there is no proof of any medically relevant viruses at all.
When Tara mentions HIV, people who deny the germ theory of disease come out and rant like they're fusion powered. I wonder how many of that type are ID supporters.
I would suspect that the HIV doesn't cause AIDS theory appeals to some intelligent design types because if a virus doesn't cause AIDS then its not something they can get, and AIDS is all the fault of all those horrible things gay people do with their bodies, things good upstanding Christians like them would never ever do.